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Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 10 2007 05:28PM
Paul Sebastian Ziegler (psz observed de) (2 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 12 2007 05:55PM
johan beisser (jb caustic org) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 12 2007 07:27PM
Matt D. Harris (mdh solitox net) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 12 2007 09:15PM
johan beisser (jb caustic org) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 09:59AM
Florian Echtler (echtler in tum de) (4 replies)
RE: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 17 2007 03:05AM
Quark IT - Hilton Travis (Hilton QuarkIT com au)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 14 2007 03:20AM
Raj Mathur (raju linux-delhi org) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 14 2007 09:01PM
imipak (imipak gmail com)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 10:03PM
Stefano Zanero (s zanero securenetwork it)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 08:39PM
Paul Wouters (paul xtdnet nl) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 09:07PM
johan beisser (jb caustic org) (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 09:38PM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu (1 replies)
Re: Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 14 2007 09:34PM
Frank Guthausen (fg-bugtraq nsv-server de)
Hello.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:38:39PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks (at) vt (dot) edu [email concealed] wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 13:07:02 PST, johan beisser said:
> > The logs don't contain context, just who/where/when. While
> > encryption will prevent (one hopes) the capability of recovering
> > context, who you talked to is not kept private or otherwise secret.
>
> It's probably a good idea to deploy encryption *now*, and use it for
> *everything*, and be ready for when (not if) they decide to be more
> draconian in their logging requirements.

AFAIR the German situation is as follows:

Any German email provider having more than 1000 customers has to provide
a method for giving government access to the mailbox including the
ability to read the content. Access should be controlled by judges. If
there are more than 10000 customers it has to be done with hardware, so
called sina boxes. Even if there is not a precise definition of customer
(person, company, contract) it is quite clear that the law has got an
impact on users of t-online, web.de, GMX, Freenet and others.

This law started Jan 1st, 2005.

The data retention law is a possibility to analyze social networks even
if email is encrypted. There are other purposes, too.

regards
Frank

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Re: [Full-disclosure] Standing Up Against German Laws - ProjectHayNeedle Nov 10 2007 06:53PM
Jan Newger (memger gmx net) (2 replies)
Re: [Full-disclosure] Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 10:13AM
Peter Conrad (conrad tivano de)
Re: [Full-disclosure] Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 11 2007 09:26PM
Duncan Simpson (dps simpson demon co uk) (1 replies)
Re: [Full-disclosure] Standing Up Against German Laws - Project HayNeedle Nov 13 2007 09:03PM
johan beisser (jb caustic org)







 

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