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Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 06:15PM Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com) (7 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 10:51PM M.B.Jr. (marcio barbado gmail com) (1 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 09 2008 04:56AM Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 09:39PM Kurt Buff (kurt buff gmail com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 05:23PM R. DuFresne (dufresne sysinfo com) (1 replies) RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 10:32PM Ray Chow (Ray Chow dia govt nz) (1 replies) RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 07 2008 01:18AM R. DuFresne (dufresne sysinfo com) (1 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 07 2008 10:28AM Matt - MRS Security (matt mrssecurity com) (1 replies) RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 04:00PM Stuart Criddle (stuart ngssoftware com) RE: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 11:47AM John Babio (jbabio po-box esu edu) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 11:59PM Jay D. Dyson (jdyson treachery net) (4 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 08 2008 07:40AM Dragos Ruiu (dr kyx net) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 06:04PM Matt - MRS Security (matt mrssecurity com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 02:28AM brendan (xasperated gmail com) (2 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 05:25AM Jimmy Brokaw (hedgie hedgie com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 03:43AM Jay D. Dyson (jdyson treachery net) (1 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 08:42AM David Howe (DaveHowe Pentest googlemail com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 07:57PM Mario Platt (mplatt gmail com) (1 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 09:01PM Jon Kibler (Jon Kibler aset com) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 05 2008 07:19PM Terry Cutler (jedi31337 gmail com) (1 replies) Re: Certifications: Not worth the paper they are printed on? Oct 06 2008 08:12AM David Howe (DaveHowe Pentest googlemail com) |
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Jay D. Dyson wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Oct 2008, Jon Kibler wrote:
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>> Yesterday I was reading a blog where someone with no security
>> experience whatsoever was grousing that they flunked the Security+
>> exam. The blogger also claimed to have over 100 certifications. In my
>> opinion, that many certifications undoubtedly qualifies this blogger
>> to be the Poster Boy for everything that is wrong with the
>> certification process.
>
> First off, let's see the URL.
http://certcities.com/editorial/columns/story.asp?EditorialsID=176
>
> Secondly, let's see this list of certifications this blogger claims s/he
> possesses. Suffice it to say some fact-checking is in order before
> flying off the handle about the certification process being "broken."
<SNIP!>
It was not on the basis of this individual's claims -- true or false may
they be -- that I based this commentary. It is based on personal
experience dealing with a seemingly endless stream of 'certified'
individuals that have zero real world ability. In fact, for the
non-hands-on certifications, in my personal experience, I would say that
more individuals having these 'book certifications' are incapable of
doing 'real work' that those that are good technical workers.
Too many people have simply decided that "if I get certified, then that
means I am qualified to do the work." Absolutely, completely, and
totally wrong in both my opinion and my experience.
The process today is completely backwards. For certifications to be
meaningful, you must first get the experience, then get the
certification that validates your experience. Not the other way around!
Jon Kibler
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