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Removing ping/icmp from a network Mar 25 2008 04:29PM
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Re: Removing ping/icmp from a network Apr 05 2008 05:17PM
Mark Owen (mr markowen gmail com) (1 replies)
The discussion here has mostly revolved around blocking ICMP to web
hosts and why it is/not a good idea, but what really has not been
mentioned is how. Usually admins who are set on doing so will block
it at either the router or firewall level, not the host. This can
create additional problems, including limiting access to your host.

If you block all of ICMP, you block not just the echo reply requests
but the errors as well. This can create a problem known as a "black
hole connection".

Wikipedia:
"Many 'security' devices incorrectly block all ICMP messages,
including the errors that are necessary for PMTUD to work. This can
result in connections that complete the TCP three-way handshake
correctly, but then hang when data is transferred. This state is
referred to as a "black hole connection"."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMTU

ICMP is necessary for Internet traffic and blocking it can lead to
problems that are not easily resolvable.
Ironically, Microsoft advises not to block ICMP traffic in a router
and to replace the router if you cannot configure it to.

From KB:314825 "How to Troubleshoot Black Hole Router Issues" under
"Fixing or Working Around a Black Hole Router"
"Configure intermediate routers to send ICMP Type 3 Code 4 messages
("destination unreachable, don't fragment (DF) bit sent and
fragmentation required"). This might require a router software or
firmware upgrade, router reconfiguration, or router replacement."

--
Mark Owen

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