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the Internet side at least to the edge router / demarc. And yes, I
have yet to run into someone blocking on the host end, it's usually a
router / firewall doing the blocking.
-J
On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Mark Owen <mr.markowen (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]> wrote:
> The discussion here has mostly revolved around blocking ICMP to web
> hosts and why it is/not a good idea, but what really has not been
> mentioned is how. Usually admins who are set on doing so will block
> it at either the router or firewall level, not the host. This can
> create additional problems, including limiting access to your host.
>
> If you block all of ICMP, you block not just the echo reply requests
> but the errors as well. This can create a problem known as a "black
> hole connection".
>
> Wikipedia:
>
> "Many 'security' devices incorrectly block all ICMP messages,
> including the errors that are necessary for PMTUD to work. This can
> result in connections that complete the TCP three-way handshake
> correctly, but then hang when data is transferred. This state is
> referred to as a "black hole connection"."
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PMTU
>
> ICMP is necessary for Internet traffic and blocking it can lead to
> problems that are not easily resolvable.
> Ironically, Microsoft advises not to block ICMP traffic in a router
> and to replace the router if you cannot configure it to.
>
> From KB:314825 "How to Troubleshoot Black Hole Router Issues" under
> "Fixing or Working Around a Black Hole Router"
> "Configure intermediate routers to send ICMP Type 3 Code 4 messages
> ("destination unreachable, don't fragment (DF) bit sent and
> fragmentation required"). This might require a router software or
> firmware upgrade, router reconfiguration, or router replacement."
>
>
> --
> Mark Owen
>
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