Well, it applies if you are one of the dishonest ones.

If you are one of the honest people you can expect to clean up the mess of the dishonest people once they move on :)

Nick Vaernhoej

"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur."

>-->-----Original Message-----

>-->From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]

>-->[mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]] On Behalf Of Chuck Taylor

>-->Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 10:11 AM

>-->To: Murda Mcloud

>-->Cc: zenmasterbob123 (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]; security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]

>-->Subject: RE: Why open source software is more secure

>-->

>-->All this talk of honesty, I couldn't help but quote this:

>-->

>-->"Me? I'm dishonest, and a dishonest man you can always trust to be

>-->dishonest. Honestly. It's the honest ones you want to watch out for,

>-->because you can never predict when they're going to do something

>-->incredibly... stupid."

>-->

>-->I think this applies.

>-->

>-->d3nw0

>-->

>-->On Fri, 2008-05-09 at 10:03 +1000, Murda Mcloud wrote:

>-->> How do you quantify more secure?

>-->>

>-->>

>-->> > Also, Marx was an utter fool who had no understanding of human

>-->nature,

>-->> > >but that is a discussion for another list. }8-)

>-->>

>-->> How can you say that when he came out with such insightful pearls

>-->as;

>-->> "There is one way to find out if a man is honest; ask him! If he

>-->says yes

>-->> you know he's crooked."

>-->> And..

>-->> "He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot but don't let

>-->that fool

>-->> you. He really is an idiot"

>-->>

>-->> Oh, sorry, you meant his brother Karl #;-{)>

>-->>

>-->> > >-----Original Message-----

>-->> > >From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]

>-->[mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]]

>-->> > >On Behalf Of zenmasterbob123 (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]

>-->> > >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 2:48 AM

>-->> > >To: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]

>-->> > >Subject: Re: Why open source software is more secure

>-->> > >

>-->> > >My first thought as I read this was that Sapran doesn't

>-->understand

>-->> > >macroeconomics, free enterprise, and the effect of market forces

>-->on

>-->> > >software development. Secure software sells. Businesses are

>-->willing to

>-->> > >pay a lot more money for something that they percieve will cause

>-->them

>-->> > >less headache over time.

>-->> > >

>-->> > >

>-->> > >But on the other hand, Sapran does grasp microeconomics.

>-->Individual

>-->> > >people are cheap. They will buy something that they think they

>-->need, but

>-->> > >they will buy it for the low low price if £3.50 if they can, in

>-->spite of

>-->> > >the fact that it has holes the size of Wembley Stadium. This is

>-->> > >especially true of something that does something that they can't

>-->see,

>-->> > >like antivirus software.

>-->> > >

>-->> > >

>-->> > >So if we are really going to have this discussion again, let's

>-->turn it on

>-->> > >its side. What motive does the Open Source developer have to

>-->make a

>-->> > >secure product? or more to the point, what motivation does the

>-->Open

>-->> > >Source developer have that the commercial developer does not

>-->also have?

>-->> > >Honor? Pride? Reputation? Those exist on both sides of the

>-->ledger. I

>-->> > >postulate that the only difference between the two is that the

>-->commercial

>-->> > >developer has the additional motivation of profit.

>-->> > >

>-->> > >

>-->> > >Also, Marx was an utter fool who had no understanding of human

>-->nature,

>-->> > >but that is a discussion for another list. }8-)

>-->>

>-->--

>-->Chuck

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