Op 2-3-2012 5:32, Michael Painter schreef:
> erik wrote:
>
>> And the addresses located in The Netherlands (endpoints) is a perfect
>> reason NOT to use this provider
>> since no other country in the world has (relatively speaking) more
>> lawful intercepts than The Netherlands.
>>
>> Really. Sad but true. All traffic is logged by law, and kept for the
>> duration of 2 (two) years. The bill you talk
>> about for Canada was passed here a couple of years ago. Police are known
>> to (illegally) conduct
>> search operations in these logs.
>>
>> I would look for a vpn provider with endpoints in Sweden or (better)
>> Switzerland.
>>
>> Erik.
>
> I showed the above to my vpn provider (in Europe) and his reply follows:
>
> "Hello!
>
> Unfortunately the author of the article has very confused ideas about
> the Netherlands, Switzerland and Sweden.
>
> In NL data retention applies to Internet Service Providers that bring
> connection to the end-user, and applies for 6 months, not 2 years, a
> shorter period than Switzerland."
>
Which leaves Sweden comfortably out of the equation. And the vpn
provider very vcomfortably ignores the statement about the lawful
intercepts...

About the lawful intercepts (in Dutch) (it states that The Netherlands
is #1 in formal requests for telecom data):

https://www.bof.nl/2010/11/11/persbericht-nederland-europees-koploper-op
vragingen-telecomgegevens/

Bof is a dutch privacy institute, Bits of Freedom.

The dataretention in The Netherlands is 12 (twelve) months (again in
Dutch. states that it is 12 months and used succesfully in 24 out of
180.000 court cases):

http://jurel.nl/2011/05/12/evaluatie-van-de-data-retentie-richtlijnnutte
loze-hutspot-en-schending-van-de-privacy1/

The data retention in Switzerland on the other hand is only 6 months:

https://www.privacyinternational.org/article/switzerland-privacy-profile

Data retention in Sweden is non-existent (which is one of the primary
reasons that Pirate bay used to have its home in Sweden, as well as
Wikileaks):

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/18/sweden_postpones_eu_data_retenti
on_directive/
http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/11/409&type=H
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My conclusion cannot be anything else than that your vpn provider is
simply and plainly lying to you. Not a good starting point for a vpn for
privacy.

Be aware also of the fact that there are no limits on sharing data
between Dutch government and USA.

As a dutch citizen I am not that confused about what is happening here
in The Netherlands. Better than the vpn liar^H^H^H^Hprovider that you
contacted. Actually I am quite well informed.

Sorry to be bringing the bad news.

Erik

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