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RDP over the internet Jan 10 2012 05:22PM
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Re: RDP over the internet Jan 10 2012 05:49PM
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RE: RDP over the internet Jan 10 2012 06:35PM
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Re: RDP over the internet Jan 10 2012 06:00PM
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Re: RDP over the internet Mar 14 2012 01:41PM
Alex Fiuvertiz (fiuvertiz gmail com) (3 replies)
RE: RDP over the internet Jul 18 2012 09:53AM
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Re: RDP over the internet Mar 16 2012 09:29AM
Ansgar Wiechers (bugtraq planetcobalt net) (1 replies)
Re: RDP over the internet Mar 17 2012 01:46PM
Thugzclub (thugzclub googlemail com) (1 replies)
Re: RDP over the internet Mar 17 2012 06:04PM
Ansgar Wiechers (bugtraq planetcobalt net) (1 replies)
RE: RDP over the internet Mar 19 2012 05:05PM
Dan Lynch (DLynch placer ca gov) (1 replies)
> >> New vulnerabilities will be discovered every now and then. Duh. The
> >> question is: do they get fixed in a timely manner?
> >
> > The fact is that "open port" is a potential attack vector because a
> > vulnerability may be discovered in the application.
>
> I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but as long as you're using
> TCP/IP you need an open port if you want to be able to establish a
> connection.

But it's clear that *any* open port represents additional risk. If that open port is not required for the function of the system (as terminal services/RDP generally is not), it's an unnecessary risk (however convenient it might be). And that risk is compounded if that port is running by necessity with system level permissions, and offering up a login screen that people use with their admin credentials. Also, terminal services is dependent on the loading of yet another service: RPC.

For these reasons, I don't believe the concern expressed over exposing RDP to the internet is "a massive generalisation". I think that concern is clearly justified. RDP is not of the same risk level as, say NTP.

And if, when we point out that risk, CEOs then see security officers as "the enemy", it's because the security folks have failed to (1) account for the value in the convenience offered by things like RDP, (2) reasonably evaluate that value against the risk, and (3) consider what actions, configurations and technologies are available to mitigate the risk.

Dan Lynch, CISSP
Information Technology Analyst
County of Placer
Auburn, CA

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> [mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]] On Behalf Of Ansgar Wiechers
> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 11:05 AM
> To: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
> Subject: Re: RDP over the internet
>
> On 2012-03-17 Thugzclub wrote:
> > On 16 Mar 2012, at 09:29, Ansgar Wiechers
> <bugtraq (at) planetcobalt (dot) net [email concealed]> wrote:
> >> On 2012-03-14 Alex Fiuvertiz wrote:
> >>> http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/52353
> >>
> >> New vulnerabilities will be discovered every now and then. Duh. The
> >> question is: do they get fixed in a timely manner?
> >
> > The fact is that "open port" is a potential attack vector because a
> > vulnerability may be discovered in the application.
>
> I'm sorry to have to break this to you, but as long as you're using
> TCP/IP you need an open port if you want to be able to establish a
> connection.
>
> > This is why you need to rely application execution control products
> > like (Lumension, App Blocker) to prevent execution of unknown
> > binaries!
>
> Software Restriction Policies exist. However, application control is
> unlikely to be of much help when malware is run in the context of
> privileged accounts.
>
> Regards
> Ansgar Wiechers
> --
> "All vulnerabilities deserve a public fear period prior to patches
> becoming available."
> --Jason Coombs on Bugtraq
>
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Re: RDP over the internet Mar 19 2012 06:52PM
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