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Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 03 2012 05:30AM
sneha.anand.26@gmail.com (sneha anand 26 gmail com) (3 replies)
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 20 2012 10:44AM
Don Thomas (don thomasjacob gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 24 2012 09:58PM
David Gillett (gillettdavid fhda edu) (1 replies)
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 26 2012 03:05AM
_ (packetnull gmail com) (1 replies)
to add on this DoS/DDoS/DRDoS are usually based on timing and amount of connections ACL's are a first line of defense. Nasty little buggers they are attackers will try to "deny" service from layers 3 to 7. thats why security folks come up with new fancy terms like NGFW's same thing bonded together�

On Apr 24, 2012, at 3:58 PM, "David Gillett" <gillettdavid (at) fhda (dot) edu [email concealed]> wrote:

> From: Don Thomas [mailto:don.thomasjacob (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]] wrote:
>
>> 1st you need to think beyond your network firewalls and ACL on the router.
> Firewalls and ACL can never stop DoS attacks as they can stop only
> information you have asked it
>> to stop.
>
> Ooops. You've provided no argument that establishes that we cannot ask
> firewalls or ACLs to block DoS/DDoS attacks....
>
> There *are* two relevant limitations of firewalls and ACLs, but they're
> not what you suggest here:
>
> 1. Firewalls and ACLs effectively classify traffic into three categories:
> known good, known bad, and unknown. They may have to base this
> categorization on inadequate information -- for instance, to an ACL there's
> no easy way to distinguish a simple ping from a ping-of-death. Sometimes
> the only real difference between legitimate traffic and a DoS/DDoS is the
> rate of such traffic; ACLs provide no way to specify this, and not all
> firewalls do either...
>
> 2. A firewall or ACL can only act on traffic that reaches the location
> where it is implemented. In some cases, a DoS/DDoS attack may do its damage
> before reaching that point. For instance, a trivial brute-force bandwidth
> consumption attack will probably manage to saturate the ISP connection
> regardless of whether it is blocked once it arrives at the target's site.
>
> Disproof by counterexample: My ACLs block some specific DoS attacks that
> used to knock us off the Internet routinely.
>
> David Gillett, CISSP CCNP
>
>
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[ reply ]
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 26 2012 11:01AM
Don Thomas (don thomasjacob gmail com)
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 03 2012 01:28PM
Thugzclub (thugzclub googlemail com) (1 replies)
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 03 2012 03:25PM
Littlefield, Tyler (tyler tysdomain com) (1 replies)
RE: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 03 2012 05:57PM
David Gillett (gillettdavid fhda edu)
Re: Diff ways to prevent DoS and DDoS Apr 03 2012 01:09PM
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