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Bank Of Montreal Online Security Oct 26 2012 07:07PM
mrtolton gmail com (1 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Oct 29 2012 02:05PM
Trey Keifer (trey keifer wireharbor com) (1 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Oct 29 2012 08:19PM
Alexander A. Kelner (a kelner noc brsi ru) (1 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Oct 31 2012 02:26PM
Dave Kleiman (dave davekleiman com) (1 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Oct 31 2012 08:49PM
Alexander A. Kelner (a kelner noc brsi ru) (2 replies)
Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 02:57PM
Juan F. Campos - Computalleres.com (jfcampos computalleres com) (1 replies)
Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 06:23PM
Alexander A. Kelner (a kelner noc brsi ru)
Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 01:53PM
Alexander Meesters (a meesters sansyl com) (2 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 04:24PM
Hough, Kenneth P (kenneth phough WPI EDU) (1 replies)
RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 06:31PM
Alexander A. Kelner (a kelner noc brsi ru) (1 replies)
On Thu, 1 Nov 2012, Hough, Kenneth P wrote:

> Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2012 12:24:05 -0400
> From: "Hough, Kenneth P" <kenneth.phough (at) WPI (dot) EDU [email concealed]>
> To: Alexander Meesters <a.meesters (at) sansyl (dot) com [email concealed]>,
> Alexander A. Kelner <a.kelner (at) noc.brsi (dot) ru [email concealed]>
> Cc: "security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]" <security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>,
> security-basics-return-58248-a kelner=noc brsi ru
> <security-basics-return-58248-a.kelner=noc.brsi.ru (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>
> Subject: RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>
> Also substituting letters with symbols will help, for example:
>> And then william sayed:"I really hate cake!"
> Change the 'a' to @ and 's' to $
>> And then willi@m $ayed:"I really hate cake!"

Guys, excuse me, but you are tricking yourself.
Hackers know all this and much more, when cracks your passwords.

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed] [mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]] On Behalf Of Alexander Meesters
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2012 9:53 AM
> To: Alexander A. Kelner
> Cc: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]; security-basics-return-58248-a kelner=noc brsi ru
> Subject: Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>
> Well, i believe that if you use proper punctuation it would be near to impossible, cause a automated dictionary attack does not know proper grammar, for example:
>> And then william sayed:"I really hate cake!"
> plus a dictionary attack also has a lot of problems with dialects and slang, so in order for a dictionary attack to be successful they must use a tool that uses some kind of AI.
> At least that is what i believe, please correct me if i'm wrong, my experience with dictionary attacks are not that great.
>
> Alex
>
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>
> Van: "Alexander A. Kelner" <a.kelner (at) noc.brsi (dot) ru [email concealed]>
> Cc: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed], "security-basics-return-58248-a kelner=noc brsi ru" <security-basics-return-58248-a.kelner=noc.brsi.ru (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>
> Verzonden: Woensdag 31 oktober 2012 21:49:23
> Onderwerp: RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Dave Kleiman wrote:
>
>> Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:26:30 -0500
>> From: Dave Kleiman <dave (at) davekleiman (dot) com [email concealed]>
>> To: "security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]"
>> <security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>
>> Subject: RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>> Resent-Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:07:10 -0700 (PDT)
>> Resent-From:
>> security-basics-return-58248-a.kelner=noc.brsi.ru (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
>>
>> Alexander,
>>
>>>>> Which password length is more secure - that is a question.<<<
>>
>> If you used the above statement, just as you typed it, as your
>> password (passphrase), would it not both much stronger than 6
>> characters and very easy to remember?
>>
>
> Hi Dave!
>
> Yes, it's very easy to remember, but I think this method for password
> setting is not as strong as it may appears :-)
>
> The phrase "Which password length is more secure - that is a question"
> contains not 58 "random chars", but 11 only, because each word must be
> considered as a single symbol in the vocabulary, say for brute force attack.
>
> There is a strong corelation between the chars inside of the words if these
> words are taken from our lexicon. So, these characters should not be
> considered independent. Yes, this password is long but it is not too random,
> and so it is not too secure.
>
> Moreover there may be found efficient heuristics when you try to attack
> passwords like human speech sentences due to existing correlation between
> words inside of such sentences and due to quite deterministic structure of
> sentences.
>
> If you bring some order (the way for easy memorizing) into your password
> you decrease it's strength.
>
> Well, and now try to type above phrase in invisible mode and don't make
> mistake :-)
>
> Though, IMHO six chars passwords are too short. I like at least 8 :-)
>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>> Dave Kleiman - http://www.ComputerForensicsLLC.com - http://www.computerforensicsexpertwitnesses.com
>>
>> 4371 Northlake Blvd #314
>> Palm Beach Gardens, FL 33410
>> 561.310.8801
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed] [mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]] On Behalf Of Alexander A. Kelner
>> Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 16:20
>> To: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
>> Subject: RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>>
>>
>>> From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
>>> [mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]] On Behalf Of mrtolton (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]
>>> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 2:08 PM
>>> To: security-basics (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
>>> Subject: Bank Of Montreal Online Security
>>>
>>> It's come to my attention that the Bank Of Montreal online security is
>>> shockingly lax. First of all regardless of your password length, it
>>> only cares about the first six characters. Even more insane is it
>>> doesn't matter what case of the letters are, it will allow you access all the same.
>>>
>>> On top of this, theres a bug in the iPhone app which will not allow
>>> you to unsave your card number.
>>>
>>> Its a good thing they guarantee 100% of your money against fraudulent
>>> transfers, because its only a matter of time.
>>
>> Hello.
>>
>> IMHO "shockingly laxity" is not as obvious as it may appear at first approach.
>>
>> Six chars give us about (26+10)^6=2 billions of possible passwords.
>> If their server is smart enough to allow as low as 1 authentication attempt per second for the same account then you will spend some hundreds years trying to brute force it.
>>
>> BUT! The short password can be easy memorized, when the long password must be recorded somewhere (sometimes in very inappropriate place), and then may be stolen. Which password length is more secure - that is a question.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ---
> Alexander A. Kelner
> Senior engineer
> CT Network Operation Center
> RosTelecom - Bryansk
>
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Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 01 2012 08:36PM
Michael Peppard (mpeppard impole com) (1 replies)
Re: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 02 2012 05:09AM
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RE: Bank Of Montreal Online Security Nov 02 2012 10:01AM
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