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[logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 24 2007 05:52AM
saudi sans (saudisans gmail com) (3 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 25 2007 08:12AM
Tom Le (dottom gmail com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 24 2007 01:43PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 24 2007 12:58PM
Ron Gula (rgula tenablesecurity com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 25 2007 01:29PM
saudi sans (saudisans gmail com) (3 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 28 2007 02:33AM
Mordechai T. Abzug (morty frakir org)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 25 2007 06:47PM
Tina Bird (tbird precision-guesswork com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 28 2007 01:00AM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 29 2007 08:02PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? May 25 2007 05:50PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 25 2007 06:35PM
Ron Gula (rgula tenablesecurity com) (2 replies)
Paul Melson wrote:

> The problem with firewall data is that, generally speaking, no one
> single event is likely to be really important. I find that firewall
> events are far more useful in the context of investigation, like what
> other traffic corresponds to this host that triggered an IDS event,
> and so on.

I wanted to expand on this comment a bit.

I think that most users who parse firewall logs with an IDS or event
mentality want to look for "deny" events which indicated some sort of
failed attempt to go to some port or host. There is nothing wrong with
that approach, but firewalls log a lot more than that.

If your firewall can log authorized traffic (some folks call these
"ACCEPT" events) then you might have a great audit trail of all network
connections that rivals what you can get out of netflow or direct
network session monitoring.

Each firewall technology also has many different "IDS" features that
detect port scans, port sweeps, worm behavior, virus attachments,
certain types of attacks and so on. These features vary from vendor to
vendor. If your SIM can log and normalize these types of events, it is a
very good compliment to NIDS events and can sometimes substitute when a
NIDS isn't present or an option.

And lastly, firewall logs could also include rule changes, administrator
logins, creating new admin accounts and so on. When auditing admins and
logging privileged users, most of the attention seems to be focused on
the UNIX and Windows systems and network devices like firewalls are
forgotten.

So if you have a SIM and you are only parsing firewall network deny
events, there is nothing wrong with this from an incident perspective,
but your firewall might be logging much more than access control list
violations.

Ron Gula, CTO
Tenable Network Security
http://www.tenablesecurity.com

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Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 27 2007 03:23PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 29 2007 03:43PM
Dave Ellingsberg (Dave Ellingsberg csu mnscu edu) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 30 2007 01:31PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 27 2007 09:02PM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com) (3 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 29 2007 07:20PM
Eric Fitzgerald (Eric Fitzgerald microsoft com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 29 2007 05:17PM
Chris Brenton (cbrenton chrisbrenton org) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 29 2007 08:53PM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com)
[logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 28 2007 05:59PM
Fenwick, Wynn (wynn fenwick cgi com) (2 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 29 2007 07:07PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 30 2007 03:40PM
Fenwick, Wynn (wynn fenwick cgi com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 30 2007 09:25PM
Paul Melson (pmelson gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 31 2007 07:42PM
Fenwick, Wynn (wynn fenwick cgi com)
[logs] Log Analysis -- Best Practice May 29 2007 06:13AM
harshad mengle wipro com (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Log Analysis -- Best Practice May 30 2007 12:24AM
Ron Gula (rgula tenablesecurity com)
Re: [logs] SIM solution - Objectives ? (Firewall logging) May 25 2007 07:22PM
Jimmy Alderson (jimmy alderson gmail com)


 

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