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[logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 06:38AM
Tina Bird (tbird precision-guesswork com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 03:47PM
Stephen John Smoogen (smooge gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 04:41PM
Tina Bird (tbird precision-guesswork com) (3 replies)
RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 12 2007 11:38AM
Balazs Scheidler (bazsi balabit hu)
RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 09:02PM
Rainer Gerhards (rgerhards hq adiscon com)
> I have received a number of responses along these lines, obtained by
> grepping the source code or by running strings on the binary.
> These are far
> better than nothing, and I'm grateful for the help, but they miss an
> important piece of the picture. Especially in a piece of code
> as old and,
> uh, crufty as syslogd, there's a high likelihood that many of
> the errors
> find themselves at the far ends of code paths that rarely (if
> ever) get
> executed, and therefore those errors never find themselves in
> the "outside"
> world, providing assistance (or confusion) to system administrators
> everywhere.

OK, I've once again done a real review of the sysklogd 1.14.1 source. I
wanted to make sure I really tell the truth. The plain truth is that it
is nearly impossible that anything goes wrong after syslogd is started.
So you'll observe a number of "config file invalid" messages, but only
(hopefully;)) during initial setup. Once things run smoothly, you will
see error message only when things go really wrong, e.g. when the hard
disk dies. But then, in practice, will that ever occur? If the answer is
yes, then you need to ask "will it be seen"? Of those systems where a
hard disk failure is catastrophic, all of the logs are probably on that
failed hard disk. Yes, exactly that disk our error message will be ...
ahem would be ... written to ;) So you end up with just initialization
and termination messages.

Is that the case because syslogd is such a perfect piece of software.
Not really. The reason is that the stock implementation simply can not
have any real problems once it runs: selector lines were either OK (and
operating) or invalid (and disabled). And how about the network? Surely
received packets are a trouble source. Formatting errors of all kind...
Let's have a look at (informational RFC 3164):

##
4. Packet Format and Contents

The payload of any IP packet that has a UDP destination port of 514
MUST be treated as a syslog message.
##

Sweet - anything that is destined to 514 is a syslog message. No matter
what the content is. Really? Am I kidding? Let's read on:

##
Example 2

Use the BFG!

While this is a valid message, it has extraordinarily little useful
information.
##

Yeah... This is a valid message. This also: "HaHaHa". So how will a
parser need to complain when it processes the message. It doesn't - and
that's why you won't see many messages from sysklogd itself.

HOWEVER, things are improving. In rsyslogd, there are a lot more things
that can go wrong. For example, IETF is standardizing the frame format
if TLS is used. This provides a number of opportunities for emitting
error messages. TCP itself gives ground to another set of messages. On
the output side the same: rsyslog can do dynamic file names. That means
files are created depending on incoming messages. Of course, things can
go wrong here, providing another set of error messages.

I am talking about rsyslog, because I maintain this project. I think any
other modern-day syslogd has a similar set of error messages. And these
are possibly seen in practice. But now it is much more depending on how
valid all parts of the system, including senders, work. With the
majority of syslog-enabled applications still following the "I don't
need to obey any format" paradigm, the typical cause for error messages
is not-existant for syslog servers.

I hope that clarifies. And there is even hope: syslogd's will spit out
more errors in the future ;) [and, yes, I have at least created a todo
item to emit meaningful error identifiers together with them...]

Rainer

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RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 07:13PM
Daniel Cid (danielcid yahoo com br) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 07:42PM
Justin Mitchell (jmitchell secureworks com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 08:00PM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 09:55PM
Russell Fulton (r fulton auckland ac nz) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 12 2007 12:32AM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 13 2007 06:59AM
Amiran Alavidze (galavidze gmail com)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 12 2007 12:13AM
Mordechai T. Abzug (morty frakir org)
RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 07:50PM
Tina Bird (tbird precision-guesswork com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 10:07PM
Mordechai T. Abzug (morty frakir org)
RE: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 07:16PM
Tina Bird (tbird precision-guesswork com)
Re: [logs] Error messages from syslogd Jul 11 2007 08:00AM
Rainer Gerhards (rgerhards hq adiscon com)


 

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