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[logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 12:59PM
Marcelo de Souza (marcelo marcelosouza com) (3 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 06 2008 10:49PM
Anton Chuvakin (anton chuvakin org) (1 replies)
[logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 12 2008 08:16AM
A Ananth (ananth802 yahoo com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 11:18AM
Stefano Zanero (zanero elet polimi it) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 04:22PM
Balazs Scheidler (bazsi balabit hu) (4 replies)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 15 2008 03:15AM
Bill Scherr IV (bschnzl cotse net) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 15 2008 11:29PM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 08:13PM
Stephen John Smoogen (smooge gmail com)
RE: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 06:22PM
Rainer Gerhards (rgerhards hq adiscon com) (2 replies)
RE: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 06:46PM
Dee-Ann LeBlanc (dee splunk com)
Re: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 06:44PM
Ray Van Dolson (rvandolson esri com)
RE: [logs] SYSLOG patent? Mar 14 2008 06:15PM
Rainer Gerhards (rgerhards hq adiscon com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 07:37PM
Anton Chuvakin (anton chuvakin org) (2 replies)
RE: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 09:06PM
Rainer Gerhards (rgerhards hq adiscon com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 08:33PM
Daniel Cid (dcid ossec net)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 07:27PM
tbird precision-guesswork com (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 09:10PM
David Corlette (DCorlette novell com) (1 replies)
[logs] wny not syslog on microsoft platforms Feb 29 2008 11:13PM
Rodney Thayer (rodney canola-jones com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 08:52PM
Rodney Thayer (rodney canola-jones com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 11:02PM
Anton Chuvakin (anton chuvakin org) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 11:49PM
Marcus J. Ranum (mjr ranum com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 10:17PM
tbird precision-guesswork com (4 replies)
Quoting Rodney Thayer <rodney (at) canola-jones (dot) com [email concealed]>:

> I'd like to just know why they don't support syslog.
> Heard rumors Longhorn would fix that bug ;-)

Hmm. I've apparently heard contradicting rumors. We should compare
notes some time.

> Anyway, my point is, if that vendor (e.g. Microsoft)
> thinks they have a reason for not doing syslog to support
> external event management, I'd be interested in hearing that.
> I think not doing syslog is broken but what I think we all
> really see as a requirement is "externally available interoperable
> standards-based event output" so I try to have an open mind
> when this MS flaw is revisited...

Here's my 0.02, as politically correctly as I can put it: Microsoft
has a corporate tradition of building closed systems, and even when
they're forced to build a standards-based application (DNS? IPsec?)
they have a tendency (that's polite) to add extensions that make their
products less interoperable than one might like. Ahem. One with a
truly heterogeneous network to run, anyhow.

On the specific beloved topic of syslog, I know (cos I've been part of
it) that Microsoft has heard "support syslog" for years. The problem
is that they're hearing it from UNIX experts and IETF folks and people
on this list, very few (if any) of whom have enterprise-scale
deployments of Microsoft products deployed, and even fewer of whom
(out of that "any") who would *not* deploy an MS product because it
did NOT support syslog.

Microsoft responds to its customers. Microsoft responds more swiftly
to customer pressure than any other IT vendor I've ever dealt with.
(Pressure from the press doesn't hurt, either, but I can't imagine how
we could turn decades of lack of support for syslog into a slashdot
worthy news event.)

If we *really* want to get MS' attention on this issue, we need to
find some large Microsoft customers who are willing to apply pressure
to their account managers about syslog support. That's certainly
*possible*, but I suspect it's highly unlikely, cos' most of the large
MS shops I've worked at/with are already using MS-provided or
Windows-specific monitoring tools, and can't even *spell* syslog.

So the real question becomes: of those large MS customers, how many of
them have or are planning to deploy a syslog-based monitoring
infrastructure, and are they willing to apply pressure to Redmond?
Anyone here an MS Premier customer?

It may be that finally, thanks to compliance regulations etc., there
are enough large scale organizations worrying about log collection and
archiving that this might work. There's clearly never been enough
momentum to get the ball rolling in the past, or we wouldn't be having
this conversation in *sigh* 2008...

cheers -- tbird

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RE: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 03 2008 09:53PM
Desai, Ashish (Ashish Desai fmr com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 03 2008 07:08PM
Patrick Hull (nethead69 gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 03 2008 08:47PM
David Corlette (DCorlette novell com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 03 2008 09:20PM
Patrick Hull (nethead69 gmail com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 03 2008 07:58PM
Mark Bagley (mbagley splunk com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 11:56PM
David Corlette (DCorlette novell com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Feb 29 2008 11:46PM
Andrew Hay (andrewsmhay gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 01 2008 02:31AM
A Ananth (ananth802 yahoo com) (1 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 01 2008 02:55AM
Andrew Hay (andrewsmhay gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 02 2008 08:34PM
Rodney Thayer (rodney canola-jones com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 01 2008 03:05AM
A Ananth (ananth802 yahoo com)
Re: [logs] Eventlog to syslog Mar 01 2008 02:17AM
Rodney Thayer (rodney canola-jones com)


 

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