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ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 02:43PM
Pfost William B (William Pfost ci irs gov) (4 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:28PM
Todd Woodward (todd_woodward symantec com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:07PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 02:33AM
Edward R Marczak (marczak radiotope com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:42AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 01:18PM
Edward R Marczak (marczak radiotope com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 08:43PM
Radoslav Dejanoviæ (radoslav dejanovic opsus hr) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 10:14AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 13 2007 09:51PM
Todd Woodward (todd_woodward symantec com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 10:09AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 08:32PM
Michael Dalling (mtdalling gmail com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 09:53AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 07:32AM
Howard Oakley (h oakley btconnect com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 07:24PM
Rob DeWitt (diggertadmin gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 08:53PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:17PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 11:41AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 07:43PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
Very Well put David.
In some ways these tests results performed by Journalists are a lot like
the way they portray political agendas aren't they? It is though they
find only what they seek, and present "Facts" which are really
spuriously generated themselves, but once people hear them enough it is
nearly impossible to alter popular notions based upon those "Facts".

A brilliant example I saw the other evening was how people attack the
current President on Eco-issues, and hold up Gore as the Saint
representing the liberal viewpoint. The A&E piece stated that even
though "Al Gore has a carbon footprint equal to 10 average American
families" and "President Bush's ranch is 80% solar and wind driven, and
the vehicles run on alternative fuels..." (Peanut oil to Propane),
People generally believe Gore to be the new patron saint of the
Ecosystem.
Well I guess he DID invent the Internet, right?
Also some "Facts" people quote is that Bush gave "Tax cuts to Big Oil"
when they are referring to the tax cut which gave the most relief to
those making under $65000, and effectively eliminated taxes on those
families under 30,000.

So, either side can take the "Facts" and make it look like what they
want, without EXACTLY lying, but it is still disingenuous.
-Bill

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Subject: RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4

> Because? What have you seen of those tests that makes you
> distrust them?
> And can someone post a link?

http://blog.untangle.com/?p=96 describes the test.
http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=131246&WT.svl=news1_5 is
Dark
Reading's take, though it seems a remarkably sloppy piece of journalism.

I'm actually working on an article around this topic at the moment, and
I'll
post a link here when it's up. So I don't want to duplicate too much
here.
But here are the danger signs:

1) Tiny test set, of which at least one (probably more) samples
was/weren't
viruses at all (EICAR test file).
2) No indication of any sample validation, particularly of those
samples
supplied by the audience. No information as to the source of the "wild"
samples. No consideration whatsoever of the possibility of false
positives.
3) Inconsistencies with other tests on same samples from competent
source
4) Gateway and desktop products tested altogether
5) (Mis)configuration issues, certainly with Sophos and probably with
Watchguard. No obvious attempt to level playing field.
6) Just the fact that the results are (1) so widely divergent within
this
test (2) so different to established, reputable tests - VB's test in
April,
for instance. Maybe everyone else has got it wrong and Untangle have it
right, but given the other indicators, I doubt it.

--
David Harley
http://www.smallblue-greenworld.co.uk

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Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:16PM
Dave Mangot (dmangot terracottatech com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:41PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 10:02PM
Dave Mangot (dmangot terracottatech com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 01:29PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:10PM
Dixon, Wayne (wcdixo aurora lib il us) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 01:29PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 10:16AM
Radoslav Dejanoviæ (radoslav dejanovic opsus hr) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:48AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 06:56PM
Tom Yarrish (tom yarrish com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 06:50PM
Roland Dobbins (rdobbins cisco com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 07:35PM
Pfost William B (William Pfost ci irs gov) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 08:09PM
Rob DeWitt (diggertadmin gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 11:11PM
Paul Schmehl (pauls utdallas edu) (2 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 12 2007 12:37PM
Casper Gasper (casper gasper gmail com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:13PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:22PM
Kevin Finisterre \(lists\) (kf_lists digitalmunition com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:22PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)


 

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