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ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 02:43PM
Pfost William B (William Pfost ci irs gov) (4 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:28PM
Todd Woodward (todd_woodward symantec com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:07PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
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RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:42AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 01:18PM
Edward R Marczak (marczak radiotope com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 08:43PM
Radoslav Dejanoviæ (radoslav dejanovic opsus hr) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 10:14AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 13 2007 09:51PM
Todd Woodward (todd_woodward symantec com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 10:09AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 08:32PM
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RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 09:53AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 07:32AM
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Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 07:24PM
Rob DeWitt (diggertadmin gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 08:53PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:17PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 11:41AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 07:43PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:16PM
Dave Mangot (dmangot terracottatech com) (1 replies)
Bill,

Despite the fact that there are more holes in your argument than a
traffic sign in Alabama, than a Dick Cheney hunting companion, (I could
go on) please keep the politics off the focus-apple list. I'm not sure
how the moderator let this by.

I don't see any security related content in here. Just someone proving
that they can distort facts in the exact same paragraph as they rally
against others for doing exactly that.

-Dave

William Holmberg wrote:
> Very Well put David.
> In some ways these tests results performed by Journalists are a lot like
> the way they portray political agendas aren't they? It is though they
> find only what they seek, and present "Facts" which are really
> spuriously generated themselves, but once people hear them enough it is
> nearly impossible to alter popular notions based upon those "Facts".
>
> A brilliant example I saw the other evening was how people attack the
> current President on Eco-issues, and hold up Gore as the Saint
> representing the liberal viewpoint. The A&E piece stated that even
> though "Al Gore has a carbon footprint equal to 10 average American
> families" and "President Bush's ranch is 80% solar and wind driven, and
> the vehicles run on alternative fuels..." (Peanut oil to Propane),
> People generally believe Gore to be the new patron saint of the
> Ecosystem.
> Well I guess he DID invent the Internet, right?
> Also some "Facts" people quote is that Bush gave "Tax cuts to Big Oil"
> when they are referring to the tax cut which gave the most relief to
> those making under $65000, and effectively eliminated taxes on those
> families under 30,000.
>
> So, either side can take the "Facts" and make it look like what they
> want, without EXACTLY lying, but it is still disingenuous.
> -Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed] [mailto:listbounce (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]]
> On Behalf Of David Harley
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:42 AM
> To: focus-apple (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]
> Subject: RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4
>
>> Because? What have you seen of those tests that makes you
>> distrust them?
>> And can someone post a link?
>
> http://blog.untangle.com/?p=96 describes the test.
> http://www.darkreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=131246&WT.svl=news1_5 is
> Dark
> Reading's take, though it seems a remarkably sloppy piece of journalism.
>
> I'm actually working on an article around this topic at the moment, and
> I'll
> post a link here when it's up. So I don't want to duplicate too much
> here.
> But here are the danger signs:
>
> 1) Tiny test set, of which at least one (probably more) samples
> was/weren't
> viruses at all (EICAR test file).
> 2) No indication of any sample validation, particularly of those
> samples
> supplied by the audience. No information as to the source of the "wild"
> samples. No consideration whatsoever of the possibility of false
> positives.
> 3) Inconsistencies with other tests on same samples from competent
> source
> 4) Gateway and desktop products tested altogether
> 5) (Mis)configuration issues, certainly with Sophos and probably with
> Watchguard. No obvious attempt to level playing field.
> 6) Just the fact that the results are (1) so widely divergent within
> this
> test (2) so different to established, reputable tests - VB's test in
> April,
> for instance. Maybe everyone else has got it wrong and Untangle have it
> right, but given the other indicators, I doubt it.
>

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RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:41PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 10:02PM
Dave Mangot (dmangot terracottatech com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 15 2007 01:29PM
William Holmberg (wholmberg amdpi com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:10PM
Dixon, Wayne (wcdixo aurora lib il us) (2 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 01:29PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 10:16AM
Radoslav Dejanoviæ (radoslav dejanovic opsus hr) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 14 2007 09:48AM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 06:56PM
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Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 06:50PM
Roland Dobbins (rdobbins cisco com) (1 replies)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 07:35PM
Pfost William B (William Pfost ci irs gov) (1 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 08:09PM
Rob DeWitt (diggertadmin gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 11:11PM
Paul Schmehl (pauls utdallas edu) (2 replies)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 12 2007 12:37PM
Casper Gasper (casper gasper gmail com)
RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:13PM
David Harley (david a harley gmail com)
Re: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 10 2007 09:22PM
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RE: ClamXav for OS X 10.4 Aug 11 2007 12:22PM
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