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Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 20 2004 04:31PM
Andrew Plato (aplato anitian com) (12 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 06:35PM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 10:29PM
Martin (mleroux lincsat com)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 05:38PM
Wolfpaw - Dale Corse (admin-lists wolfpaw net)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 02:35PM
Pablo Scherer (pablo_scherer yahoo com)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:02AM
Oscar Kooijman (oscar kooijman chello nl)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 11:53PM
Olaf Gellert (og pre-secure de) (2 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:24PM
Mike Hoskins (mike adept org)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 08:09PM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com) (2 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 04:35PM
Xiaoyong Wu (xwu anr mcnc org) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 25 2004 03:42AM
Michael Stone (mstone mathom us)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 10:48PM
Olaf Gellert (og pre-secure de) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 03:19AM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 09:04PM
Andy Cuff (lists securitywizardry com) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:12PM
Mike Hoskins (mike adept org)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:40PM
Michael Stone (mstone mathom us)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:13PM
Brian Taylor (drak3 attbi com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 02:06AM
Fergus Brooks (fergusb evolve-online com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 01:03PM
Duston Sickler (dustons charter net)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:13PM
Omar Herrera (oherrera prodigy net mx)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 02:27PM
Konrad Rieck (kr roqe org)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 01:30AM
Josh Tolley (josh raintreeinc com)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 12:05AM
Mike Lyman (mlyman-security comcast net) (2 replies)
On Fri, 2004-02-20 at 10:31, Andrew Plato wrote:
> So this speaker then challenged me to come up with verifiable metrics. I
> replied that he would have to define what metrics he wants? What does he
> consider a "viable metric" for performance. He said "did they sell more
> products, make more money?" I replied "why is that the only metric that

Standard security ROI question when security doesn't have an ROI unless
you're selling security. Do locks on the doors help you sell more
product (unless you sell locks) or sprinkler heads in the ceilings help
you make more money?

> What is happening here? Anybody have any idea why there is a growing
> "anti-IDS" attitude. Is it the failure of IDS to produce value in an

I think most people approach IDS/IPS to stop hacking and to stop virus
and worms and they just can't do that job 100%. You can throw all the
resources you want at IDS and it still won't be able to prevent all
security breaches. From that point of view, it's a bottomless pit. You
can put in as many sensors as you want and put as many people watching
the data as you want and you still won't stop everything.

There are realistic approaches and values for IDS/IPS to be had for a
reasonable investment. Unfortunately they are not marketed that way or
priced that way. (well for the most part they aren't priced that way) I
think too many have fallen for the marketing and reality has long since
set in. That may bring some reality to the marketing and the pricing.
--
Mike Lyman <mlyman-security (at) comcast (dot) net [email concealed]>

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Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 26 2004 09:11AM
Stefano Zanero (stefano zanero ieee org) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Mar 02 2004 11:21PM
George Capehart (gwc acm org)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 01:43AM
Fergus Brooks (fergusb evolve-online com)







 

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