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Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 20 2004 04:31PM
Andrew Plato (aplato anitian com) (12 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 06:35PM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 10:29PM
Martin (mleroux lincsat com)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 05:38PM
Wolfpaw - Dale Corse (admin-lists wolfpaw net)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 02:35PM
Pablo Scherer (pablo_scherer yahoo com)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:02AM
Oscar Kooijman (oscar kooijman chello nl)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 11:53PM
Olaf Gellert (og pre-secure de) (2 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:24PM
Mike Hoskins (mike adept org)
On Sun, 22 Feb 2004, Olaf Gellert wrote:
> It is even worse: The system does not make people feel
> better (like a firewall), but it may show you all the
> dangers coming from the net and the vulnerability of
> you own network. So a big part of this is simple
> psychology.

if you have a firewall (only) and monitor the logs it produces (you do,
right? otherwise it is not being fully utilized, and you are probably
being negligent if you wear a security hat.), you will see numerous
"dangers coming from the net". seeing dangers is better than not seeing
them, which i think is relatively easy to understand for security staff.
why is it so hard in the business world? i'd think it would be easy to
understand there as well -- seeing similar things wrt stock prices or
other monetary incarnations would be considered "unfair advantage". what
tech business wouldn't want as many technical advantages as possible?

> It is like so many trends in IT-business. First it get's
> hyped with big promises, then people are disappointed, because
> their high expectations are not met and they realize that
> thinks are expensive.

actually, to be fair, that's an engineering phenomenon in general.
engineers tell sales people what's possible, sales people sell what the
customers want, engineers are forced to implement it no matter how
(in)feasible. this has been happening... for as long as i've had a job,
and certainly not just in the security industry.

> This is my view of IDS in the near future: IDS has
> to be improved step by step.

i think we can all agree here... technology should continuously improve.
as a lefty, i've even found myself questioning the value of right-handed
scissors. of course, cutlery manufacturers now offer scissors for
left-handed people... the improvement made me happy, but both sets of
scissors could cut things. (i just have to hold right-handed scissors in
my right hand. e.g. do a bit more work.) a poor analogy i know, but i
think knowing things need to improve is quite different than arguing those
things have little/no value.

but i digress, i am obviously rather emotional/biased wrt IDS/IPS and the
"value" of security in general.

-m

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Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 08:09PM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com) (2 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 04:35PM
Xiaoyong Wu (xwu anr mcnc org) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 25 2004 03:42AM
Michael Stone (mstone mathom us)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 10:48PM
Olaf Gellert (og pre-secure de) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 03:19AM
SecurIT Informatique Inc. (securit iquebec com)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 09:04PM
Andy Cuff (lists securitywizardry com) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 23 2004 11:12PM
Mike Hoskins (mike adept org)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:40PM
Michael Stone (mstone mathom us)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:13PM
Brian Taylor (drak3 attbi com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 02:06AM
Fergus Brooks (fergusb evolve-online com) (1 replies)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 01:03PM
Duston Sickler (dustons charter net)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 03:13PM
Omar Herrera (oherrera prodigy net mx)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 02:27PM
Konrad Rieck (kr roqe org)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 01:30AM
Josh Tolley (josh raintreeinc com)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 21 2004 12:05AM
Mike Lyman (mlyman-security comcast net) (2 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 26 2004 09:11AM
Stefano Zanero (stefano zanero ieee org) (1 replies)
Re: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Mar 02 2004 11:21PM
George Capehart (gwc acm org)
RE: Is IDS/IPS worthless? Feb 24 2004 01:43AM
Fergus Brooks (fergusb evolve-online com)







 

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