Secure Programming
Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 12:46PM
Rahul Chander Kashyap (rahul nsecure net) (6 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 28 2002 03:36AM
K K Mookhey (cto nii co in)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 11:16PM
Bob Bruen (coldrain sover net)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 06:17PM
Dana Epp (dana vulscan com)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 06:03PM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu (2 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 28 2002 07:40AM
Glynn Clements (glynn clements virgin net) (2 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 29 2002 12:35AM
Cesar (cesarc56 yahoo com)

I think is almost imposible avoid some logic errors,
you can avoid most common programming mistakes but in
most applications will remain logic (probably
exploitable) errors. There are logic errors that have
been present for long years in complex applications
without being noticed. Logic errors are very difficult
to detect.
eg:
/%25%2e double decode bug in IIS.

Cesar.

--- Glynn Clements <glynn.clements (at) virgin (dot) net [email concealed]> wrote:
>
> Valdis.Kletnieks (at) vt (dot) edu [email concealed] wrote:
>
> > > And one more thing...<this one might be
> intresting ;-)> Is it possible
> > > to write code that is completely secure and not
> exploitable?
> >
> > This is just a specific case of the question "Is
> it possible to write
> > totally bug-free code"?
>
> Maybe, maybe not; it depends upon how you define
> such terms. I can
> think of reasonable definitions of "bug" and
> "vulnerability" such that
> the former isn't a superset of the latter. To
> provide a (rather crude)
> example:
>
> Bug: the program doesn't do something which it is
> meant to do.
> Vulnerability: the program does something which it
> isn't meant to do.
>
> However, a program typically has only finitely many
> requirements but
> infinitely many non-requirements.
>
> Is it a vulnerability if a program fails to wipe
> data from memory, or
> allows it to be written to swap, or slack space, or
> "unused" parts of
> files? Or if a network client can deduce which parts
> of certain files
> are memory-resident by sending carefully chosen
> requests and analysing
> the timing of the server's responses?
>
> For a program to be "secure", exactly *what* must it
> *not* do?
>
> From a reliability (no bugs) perspective, one can
> specify that e.g.
> input timings don't affect the output data and are
> therefore
> irrelevant, and it's pretty straightforward to make
> it so.
>
> From a security (no vulnerabilities) perspective,
> ensuring that the
> input data don't affect the output timings is (at a
> guess) somewhere
> between insanely difficult and downright impossible;
> and simply
> deeming them to be irrelevant doesn't help at all.
>
> So, while it might be possible to produce a
> "completely reliable"
> program (modulo the requirement that all other
> components behave
> exactly as specified; IOW, not necessarily
> fault-tolerant), I'm not
> sure that "completely secure" is a meaningful
> concept.
>
> --
> Glynn Clements <glynn.clements (at) virgin (dot) net [email concealed]>

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Re: Writing Secure code Dec 28 2002 07:04PM
Crispin Cowan (crispin wirex com)
RE: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 08:51PM
Roger Alexander (rta cs colostate edu) (1 replies)
RE: Writing Secure code Dec 30 2002 12:41PM
Matt McClellan (mmcclellan nfr com) (2 replies)
RE: Writing Secure code Jan 01 2003 02:46AM
peleus (peleus peleus net) (1 replies)
RE: Writing Secure code Jan 03 2003 04:36AM
Timo Sirainen (tss iki fi)
Re: Writing Secure code[update] Dec 31 2002 10:20AM
Rahul Chander Kashyap (rahul nsecure net) (2 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code[update] Jan 01 2003 12:21PM
K K Mookhey (cto nii co in) (2 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code[update] Jan 04 2003 12:31AM
Warwick Molloy (wmolloy optushome com au)
Re: Writing Secure code[update] Jan 02 2003 11:55PM
Alex Russell (alex netWindows org)
Re: Writing Secure code[update] Dec 31 2002 08:28PM
Crispin Cowan (crispin wirex com)
RE: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 05:46PM
Jeremy Epstein (jepstein webmethods com) (1 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 08:50PM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 05:43PM
John Viega (viega list org) (2 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 09:54PM
Alex Russell (alex netWindows org) (1 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 08:57PM
John Viega (viega list org)
RE: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 08:59PM
Matt McClellan (mcc nfr com) (1 replies)
Re: Writing Secure code Dec 27 2002 09:06PM
John Viega (viega list org)


 

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