Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2004-12-16
A 21-year-old Michigan man was sentenced to nine years in federal prison Wednesday in federal court in Charlotte, North Carolina for his role in a failed scheme to steal credit card numbers from the Lowe's chain of home improvement stores by taking advantage of an unsecured wi-fi network at a store in suburban Detroit.
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-15
Reader (2 replies)
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-16
Anonymous (3 replies)
Anonymous (3 replies)
Just because she was wearing a short skirt, doesn't mean it was an invitation to have sex with her ........
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-17
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I agree. It's absolutely NOT an invitation to have sex with her but it is an attention getter and if she was someone you cared about would you want her to be attracting that kind of attention? My point was that it is ultimately Lowe's responsibility to secure their customer's private information and...
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-20
Lowe's sucks!!!
Lowe's sucks!!!
Lowe's should have gotten a HUGE smack in the face for this. Granted, I can tell you that they definately lost a customer, ME, but I think that they should have been penalized. Could you imagine a bank running a wireless connection unsecured? They'd get REEMED, so why didn't Lowes? Yes, they may...
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-17
Anonymous
Anonymous
Heheh, so true!
Also, the comment about you cannot unsuccessfully attempt to rob a bank and expect to not get serious penalties is dead on.
I read somewhere there was a "perceived potential loss" or something to that effect of > 2 million dollars. This is why the penalty was so harsh. Along ...
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Also, the comment about you cannot unsuccessfully attempt to rob a bank and expect to not get serious penalties is dead on.
I read somewhere there was a "perceived potential loss" or something to that effect of > 2 million dollars. This is why the penalty was so harsh. Along ...
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-20
Anonymous (2 replies)
Anonymous (2 replies)
If someone comes in your house and assaults you, as long as the door was unlocked, it is only assault (a misdemeanor). How is this a felony? They didn't even assult anyone. They were viewing a credit card number in an unlocked house. Trespassing I can buy, but a felony and 9 years in prison? If...
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What about Lowe's?
2004-12-20
Anonymous
Anonymous
Didn't you hear? The new "rules" in this country are as followes.
It doesn't any longer matter what the crime is that you commit and how much damage you actually do. It just matters how much could have potentially been caused. Therefore, we are now busting people for hypothetical scenarios ins...
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It doesn't any longer matter what the crime is that you commit and how much damage you actually do. It just matters how much could have potentially been caused. Therefore, we are now busting people for hypothetical scenarios ins...
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Re: What about Lowe's?
2005-08-24
Good for LOWE'S
Good for LOWE'S
That's an interesting argument that if a door is unlocked, you should be able to "come on in". However, these guys did't just look around and leave. They monitored, hacked, altered files to establish a connection to another server and THEN captured credit cards. They were't just out there for everyo...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-15
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
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He must have a really horrible horrible lawyer! I mean he only stole 6 credit card numbers and never used them. how do you get 9 years for that? He never should have plea bargained! It sounds like it should be a misdeameanor, because the ACTUAL loss was $0...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
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Anonymous (4 replies)
It was $0 to the consumers, but certainly not Lowes. To get a basic idea of why, read "I only replaced index.html"
http://www.packetstormsecurity.com/docs/hack/i.only.replaced.index.html.txt
Even if it was $0, you can't attempt to rob a bank and get a misdomeaner just because you don't get away...
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http://www.packetstormsecurity.com/docs/hack/i.only.replaced.index.html.txt
Even if it was $0, you can't attempt to rob a bank and get a misdomeaner just because you don't get away...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous
Anonymous
>>It was $0 to the consumers, but certainly
>>not Lowes. To get a basic idea of why,
>>read "I only replaced index.html" >>http://www.packetstormsecurity.com/docs/hack/i.only.replaced.index.html.txt
Sure, it costs some money and nerves... But: What if someone else would have hacked in, stole D...
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>>not Lowes. To get a basic idea of why,
>>read "I only replaced index.html" >>http://www.packetstormsecurity.com/docs/hack/i.only.replaced.index.html.txt
Sure, it costs some money and nerves... But: What if someone else would have hacked in, stole D...
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Long prison term for Lowe wi-fi hacker
2004-12-17
Paul
Paul
In Response to "It was $0 to the consumers, but certainly not Lowes":
The person did wrong and should be punished. I am not going to comment on whether or not the sentence is too long, others have done plenty of that.
My comment is to the tone of this statement. Why shouldn't Lowes have a...
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The person did wrong and should be punished. I am not going to comment on whether or not the sentence is too long, others have done plenty of that.
My comment is to the tone of this statement. Why shouldn't Lowes have a...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-20
Anonymous
Anonymous
It wasn't armed robbery, and what about the guy getting a midemeanor for checking his e-mail? This is more like someone using the atm inside a bank getting a misdemeanor because he knows the guys that ask the teller for money with no guns and the retarded teller hands the cash over. While the guys...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous (2 replies)
Anonymous (2 replies)
Yes, murderers often get less than that; especially if they murder "unimportant" people (i.e., economically poor people).
This was a crime against a corporation, which is considered worse than a crime against some unimportant person somewhere. After all, Lowe's generates millions in revenue, mill...
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This was a crime against a corporation, which is considered worse than a crime against some unimportant person somewhere. After all, Lowe's generates millions in revenue, mill...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
AND: Lowe's saved a lot of money for real secure hard- and software and money to pay for people that keep it secure.
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Re: Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2007-12-07
jimmy holifield
jimmy holifield
that term was to long compared to enrons debacle amd the hedge fund injuction stopping there investors from pulling out there money . i agree wholely wrong company and wrong judge ,they said ti could of resulted in great loss'es , you dont hang a man for almost killing some one do you ?? drug deale...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous (3 replies)
Anonymous (3 replies)
This is crazy.
What about alternative punishment such as giving something back to the community instead of putting them into jail.
They had bad intentions perhaps, but this will not help anyone not even the victim.
Hope they can call appeal...
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What about alternative punishment such as giving something back to the community instead of putting them into jail.
They had bad intentions perhaps, but this will not help anyone not even the victim.
Hope they can call appeal...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
yeah, have them give something back to the community. like, next time a gun weilding maniac shoots alot and doesn't injure anyone let's have him teach kindergarten ...
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Re: Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2006-11-07
Anonymous
Anonymous
The perpetrator was on probation for doing this previously.
Should we powder his behind and pat him on the head and say "Now You Were a Bad Boy. Don't Do It Again".
Or should we communicate in terms he/she may understand?
If people insist on doing these type CRIMES, sooner or later it will be ME...
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Should we powder his behind and pat him on the head and say "Now You Were a Bad Boy. Don't Do It Again".
Or should we communicate in terms he/she may understand?
If people insist on doing these type CRIMES, sooner or later it will be ME...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-16
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
they already had a record, I bet that played a big part in their sentence. Plus their intentions weren't good, if they got away they would have charged so much stuff to those cards. 9 years is a lot, I think around 2 would have been fair. ...
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2004-12-16
junctionboxmodeming (1 replies)
junctionboxmodeming (1 replies)
To the Lowe's idiot who got 108 month prison sentence:
dude i don't know or care about your criminal history, but your plea bargain was a robbery/rape. you were lucky to get the "assistance" departure for helping lowes, but that's only 2 points. what screwed you is you stupidly agreed to those ...
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dude i don't know or care about your criminal history, but your plea bargain was a robbery/rape. you were lucky to get the "assistance" departure for helping lowes, but that's only 2 points. what screwed you is you stupidly agreed to those ...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-19
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
everybody with a wi-fi card connects to some poor unsecured slobs network just to see..., this kid was the one who got robbed of many years of his life for $0 dollars in damage, I agree that he should be punished but 9 years, come on! Sentences for those you steal hundreds of other's identities, ru...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-20
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
9 years is wrong. It proves our US culture is more worried about money than life. Rapist get out in 18 months, a geek stupid enough to steal some cc's gets 9 years. Maybe he could have only gotten 4 if he killed somone in the process. Lowes is at fault for having 3rd rate IT that can't even say they...
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an effective deterrent!
2004-12-20
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.. to anyone thinking about retaining Samuel Winthrop in a computer crime case :x...
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an effective deterrent!
2004-12-21
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
I thought using someone else's network without their permission was considered break and enter. It doesn't matter how sad the security is or whether the doors were locked or not, you just aren't allowed to go in there. I don't understand why the sentence was so stiff, though. He was charged with pot...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-21
Reid (1 replies)
Reid (1 replies)
I will be one of the first ones who stand up and declare that the US Justice System is in serious need of modifications. Prison sentences for Murderers and Rapists are *way* too short and those "lesser" crimes are extended beyond resonable limits.
However, when someone sets out to commit a crime...
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However, when someone sets out to commit a crime...
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Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2004-12-29
Anonymous (3 replies)
Anonymous (3 replies)
When Lowe's doors are unlocked you may enter the store without fear of getting thrown in jail or prison for criminal trespassing.
The Lowe's wireless network was unlocked. There weren't any security measures in place to prevent someone from just waltzing in.
This boy who is 19 years old will n...
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The Lowe's wireless network was unlocked. There weren't any security measures in place to prevent someone from just waltzing in.
This boy who is 19 years old will n...
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Re: Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2005-08-24
Anonymous
Anonymous
Jesus, you are stretching. Why would you assume that the cards are business? People carry all kinds of cards and Lowe's even offers it's own. And if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would know that some of those people have extremely high limits because they are using it for materi...
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Re: Long prison term for Lowe's wi-fi hacker
2006-03-06
Anonymous
Anonymous
The conviction was based on the amount of damage he could have done. That includes every credit card that is ever used at all of the lowes--forever. 2.5 million is low ball. I would be very pissed off if these guys had just explored the network with no intension to do anything 'evil' and recieved 9 ...
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