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The Arcade Underground
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2000-07-10

They save Pac Man and Pengo for future generations while ducking the copyright police. Being an arcade archivist is no game.

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multiple arcade and multiple platforms! 2000-07-10
Anonymous
The best thing about mame is the fact that is runs

on Macs, unix and linux! A true virtual machine, Sun should take note......

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Where to get 2000-07-10
Anonymous
You can download MAME at http://www.mame.net/.

The binaries (for multiple platforms) and the source code are freely available....

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Other emulators 2000-07-10
Anonymous (1 replies)
Well, with MAME being the biggest emulator out there you maybe not know it, but there are TONS of other great programs out there, which are more specialized which results in a lower number of games the run, but on the other hand they are often faster, or easier to run or have other advantages ... su...

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NonMAME 2000-07-10
Anonymous
Actually, to be accurate I have established a website dedicated to documenting all games NOT emulated by MAME. You can find it (for now) at http://www.geocities.com/nonmame1. The site will be hosted under retrogames.com soon.

Darren "eyen0de"...

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Owning the ROM itself is NOT ENOUGH LEGALLY! 2000-07-10
Anonymous (1 replies)
Just a point - JUST BECAUSE YOU OWN THE ROM (chip) DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN OWN THE ROM (file)!!! In the U.S.:

If you claim the 'backup clause' (USC 17, Section 117, I think [Copyright act, regarding copyright protection of computer software]), case is that the backup *MUST BE AN EXACT COPY*. I.e., ...

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Owning the ROM itself is NOT ENOUGH LEGALLY! 2000-07-11
Anonymous (1 replies)
But the courts have upheld the rights of CD and LP owners to make tapes of this music in order to listen to it in the car. ...

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Q 2000-07-11
Anonymous
I think a lot of regular emulation fans realize just how screwed up copyright laws really are.

Some music fans are beginning to see this too.

If I tape a friend's CD, have I broken the law?

Most people will say yes.

Have I done something immoral?

Most people will say no.

The same applies to ga...

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What about MESS? 2000-07-11
Anonymous
The difference with MESS is that we emulate various home systems, from the atari to the zx81, with a few cool gems between :)

Check out http://mess.emuvers.com...

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The top of the iceberg... 2000-07-11
Anonymous
If you are really interested in videogaming emulation here are some usefull links:

http://www.retrogames.com/

http://www.zophar.net/

http://www.emuunlim.com/

http://www.vintagegaming.com/

http://www.emuviews.com/

http://www.arcadeathome.com/

from here on you will have no difficulty to und...

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Download MAME and Rom files here 2000-07-11
Anonymous
You can get the MAME program from www.mameworld.net and www.mame.net and the rom files from www.mame.dk. www.mameworld.net also has loads of help pages and other associated items....

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But where can you get the ROMS? 2000-07-11
Anonymous (2 replies)
There was a site known as davesclassics but that currently appears to be down....

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But where can you get the ROMS? 2000-07-11
Anonymous
It's still up, but no longer hosting any ROMs due to legal issues. the URL is now http://www.vintagegaming.com/

Boz (www.boz.org.uk)...

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But where can you get the ROMS? 2000-07-11
Anonymous (1 replies)
Nah, it ain't down, it's just known now as

www.VintageGaming.com

but, there ain't no roms there now, except for ones that are truly legal.

-phree

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But where can you get the ROMS? 2000-07-12
Anonymous
You might try www.DeepSpace6.com or ArcadeAtHome.com...

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Gutting a Classic Cab?? DON'T YOU DARE! 2000-07-11
Anonymous
Okay, so if anybody reading this thinks of "gutting" a classic cabinet like Defender or Tron, then just have a look around ebay or the many other arcade related sites and you will see that they are worth A LOT OF MONEY. People regularly pay into the 1000's for a classic cabinet - even without the ga...

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Money is still made from the old games. 2000-07-11
Anonymous (3 replies)
Just remember Tempest 2000, Robotron X, R-Type Delta.

So downloading games from the internet is just as harmful as downloading music files with Napster.

If everyone plays games that were pirated from the net no more new stuff is made and the games industry would die.

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Money is still made from the old games. 2000-07-11
Anonymous
rubbish.

you contradict yourself as soon as you open your mouth.

you specifically name games that are RE-MAKES, re-coded, totally different.

REAL old games make very little, except in certain places, and even then, that is few and far between.

If anything, MAME elevates awareness of the ol...

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Those are called "remakes" 2000-07-12
Anonymous


They aren't making money off of the game itself, they're making money off of the remakes.

-Gamera2...

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Wrong! 2000-07-12
Anonymous (1 replies)
The money made is not from the old games but from remakes.

Now will that remake sell well if no one remembers the original? I doubt it.

If everyone plays games form the net I seriously doubt the game industry will die, but consider this:

MAYBE IT SHOULD DIE. Maybe the music industry should die...

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Wrong! 2000-07-12
Anonymous (1 replies)
Of course, if the games industry died, and people made games because they wanted to, then we'd be treated to a shitty deluge of rip-offs, backstabbing each other in a futile effort to be the best, and eventually people would want to start charging just a bit of cash because after all, they worked so...

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Wrong! although both Right and Also wrong 2000-07-20
Anonymous
Industries SHOULD not Die , and people should not games for free and its true new games costs gazilions of money FOR SALARIES , well not everyone owns flats on manhatan or 2 or 3 ferraris well , salaries indeed ... but lets not get away from the article gentleman , the point is that they are keeping...

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Are you looking for ROMs??? 2000-07-11
Anonymous
I don't work for these places, but there is also:

www.Neoworm.com

www.Oneminuteleft.com

www.RomHQ.com (Currently down I believe)

www.Emuinfinity.com...

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classic emus for all systems here 2000-07-11
Anonymous
leespeeknpoke

http://leespeeknpoke.members.easyspace.com

for everything emulation

Good reading!...

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Arcade Cabinets...check this one out! 2000-07-11
Anonymous
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hardware/2673/pelicanswarf.html...

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Bleem! 2000-07-12
Anonymous (2 replies)
Ever notice that all the games for bleem! you have to buy yourself. Unlike MAME, ZSNES and others, the only way to get a game in bleem! is to own or have the PSX disc. Why then is Sony so hyped on stopping bleem!. I can understand Nintendo protecting the SNES and N64 and GBC because of the rlative...

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Bleem! 2000-07-19
Anonymous
Yes, they are - and that's also the answer to your question. Sony Corp. is a perfect example of corporate self-interest being top priority, and to hell with their customers. They're utter control freaks. Another example of this (which you may or may not remember, depending on how far back and whethe...

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Bleem! 2000-07-21
Anonymous
BLEEM! Don't get me started on that piece of dung. Those lusers abandoned the development to try and soak the Dreamcast players with Bleem!cast or whatever they heck they call it.

Bunch of lame-o's...

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Illegal? Yes, but ... 2000-07-14
Anonymous


Ok, so owning the roms without owing the original arcade game IS illegal, but...

1).

Most, if not all of these games are not even being made/sold nymore, so its not like any company is suffering loss of profits or anything...

Mind you, the author of Robby Roto (Jay Fenton) actually got the c...

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I think video game companies could turn emulation into a profit center 2000-07-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
I think that game companies could make money by selling ROM files for games they make or have made. It would promote their brand to more markets. For example, Capcom has done this. Buy a Hotrod Joystick from Hanaho Games, and you get MAME, plus 14 100% legal Capcom Roms on a CD!...

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Agreed. 2000-07-18
Alun Jones <alun (at) texis (dot) com [email concealed]>
If, say, one of the major game companies still in existence were to sell a CD of thirty or forty of their game ROMs - with MAME attached, I'm certain that I'd be willing to buy a copy for myself - and probably a copy each for some of my friends, who're all missing that old arcade feeling.

There a...

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Too late. ROMs are too easily available on the net. 2000-07-20
Anonymous
Most people aren't going to pay for something they can already get easily for free. Take the small percentage of retro gamers that actually *would* pay for these old games, and you're facing a rather small potential market.

Remember the IDSA? They tried shutting down a whole stack of ROM sites in...

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correction for article 2000-07-18
Anonymous
You mention MAME and the ROMs won't be found on a site together. The fact is many sites provide both MAME and the ROMS on the same site.

Lawrence...

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re. "owning ROM not enough" 2000-07-19
Anonymous
Just a question to the writer -- "funny M in a circle?" Sounds a LOT more like a Motorola logo than some newfangled "ROM copyright notice." Weren't there any other manufacturers of cheap PROMS in the heyday of arcade games?...

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Where can we get to get these fabulous Arcade game? 2000-07-25
Anonymous
Can you kindly give us the sites where we cab download these fabulous games? It's been years since I've played my favourite Mario Game on my Nintendo(tm) Family Computer., I've still got the HardWare, but, i haven't got the games already... bye......

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