Lamo surrenders, is released

Lamo surrenders, is released
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2003-09-09

SACRAMENTO, Calif.--A federal judge ordered Adrian Lamo released to his parents' custody Tuesday afternoon, but barred the hacker from using computers, and ordered him to obtain full-time employment pending trial.

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to Adrian 2003-09-09
jaryd (1 replies)

Be careful out there....

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Good Luck Adrian 2003-09-12
Luke

Adrian, there are people that support you for what you did do. But unfortunately they did not see the good in what you tried to do. Good Luck.

For all the people that have NO clue what Adrian has done and therefor, should shut their yaps, read this, and then speak-

Adrian has been looking for ...

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Lamo set to surrender Tuesday 2003-09-09
Anonymous (3 replies)

Im really disappointed about the governments actions against Lamo. He did in my eyes nothing wrong on the New York Times issue. He helped them afterwards he 'hacked' into their network. Even if he has seen some stuff that shouldn´t be made public.

In my eyes Lamo is one of those good hackers arou...

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Lamo set to surrender Tuesday 2003-09-10
Anonymous

To say you are happy because what this kook did HELPED someone find out they needed help is like saying a rapist does no wrong if he uses reveals his stalking technique.

As far as I am concerned, these people are more dangerous than a terrorist and should be treated the same way.

I notice that...

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Stupidity of Government 2003-09-18
? T-Rex ?

I mostly agree with your point of view, however, there is one thing I think he should've thought about a little harder. The arcticle says "he ran up a $300,000 bill". He should've thought about that one a little harder. When you cost a bank 300K, you best believe they'll do what it takes to find you...

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Re: Lamo set to surrender Tuesday 2006-02-14
Anonymous

I'm guessing this is largely driven by a security professional who got his epeen Spanked and now he is all bent out of shape. I would hope the government figures out that this is crazy and cuts Lamo some slack....

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I feel much safer now. 2003-09-09
The 420 Zodiac (4 replies)

I feel so much safer now knowing that this vicious criminal is off the streets.

Let this be a message to you hackers! If you embarrass big business, the press or politicians the FBI will be looking for you.

Now you you'll excuse me, I need to see what it is that came in the mail from the RI...

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I feel much safer now. 2003-09-10
Anonymous (2 replies)

Do you yourself really understand or comprehend hacking or moding etc.? Do you understand the extent of the power and what this 'criminal' did and did not do? unless you have extencive knowledge of this 'crime' you have no right to comment in the manner in which you are.

The begining of knowleng...

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I feel much safer now. 2003-09-12
Anonymous

Dude, you need to adjust your irony detector. 420 Zodiac's post was _ironic_....

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I feel much safer now. Who cares, he's a script-kiddy. 2003-09-12
Anonymous

dunno why everyone is making such a big deal of this guy... he's just a script-kiddy with too much time on his hands.

Any 13 year old could do what he did, the difference is we have lives and choose to live them being free men, not behind bars....

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I feel much safer now. 2003-09-10
Anonymous

he was trying to help the times they abviously didn't want the help seeing as they didn't do anything until a day later and didn't even want the info on how it can be fixed. take yahoo,google,worldcom and aol neither companies pressed charges when they could have. he was trying to help them not hurt...

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I feel much safer now. 2003-09-10
Anonymous

you feel safer even though you were never targeted?? if a person went into your home while you were asleep, sat in your living room, watched tv, waited until you woke up to tell you:

"you left your front door wide open. i noticed your a single parent and you have 5 kids. i figured i'd hang out to ...

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safer how 2003-09-10
izzy (1 replies)

safer how? you werent the target. and he advised his targets of what and how he did what he did in order for it not to happen to them again. I'd say he was looking out for their best interest. I would feel safer with him out. ...

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safer how 2003-09-11
Ryan Lambert

Advised them of their security flaw through a reporter? That smells of publicity stunt to me.

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Lamo released, banned from computers 2003-09-10
penfold (1 replies)

Fair, but i believe employment in system security would be more appripiate than a full computer ban...

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Lamo released, banned from computers 2003-09-10
Anonymous

i agree. a lot or sys admins out there that dont know as much as he does. he's out of a job, has the knowledge, "hey guy, how bout making a few bucks. your choice"...

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Total BS 2003-09-10
Dick Jiggler (1 replies)

250k bond? Restricted to parts of a state? Wow, being homeless and out of a job really sucks.

If Adrian had a home and a job he would be out on 20k bond.

It's obvious if your a taxpayer that the goverment does these favors for you....

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no guy 2003-09-10
iz

No guy. It doesn't work that way. Well yes and no. I get a gut feeling you don't have a clean record. Not a lookdown, neither do I. But C'mon. Its the FBI we're talking about here. I mean what? You expect Adrian to get a citation? Lets be real. The govt. isnt going to send out federal agents to put ...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous (1 replies)

"Hollows ordered Lamo to obtain full-time employment or enroll in college pending trial." - What school allows you to enroll without using a computer these days? "Sorry Professor, I couldn't type it because of a federal mandate." Then again, I wonder if he'd be exempt from taking MS Office courses r...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
D (1 replies)

i reckon NYT should just give Adrian a full time job with them.

After all he did them a favour.

Yea he did view data, but he sure as hell didn't sell it on to ppl.

Yes that is crap that he shouldn't be allowed a computer again! That sad.

You do someone a favour and he gets treated like this.

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous (1 replies)

Is doing a crime a favor?

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous

In some cases, yes. If you need those cases and situations spelled out then you haven't exausedted every permientation out there....

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-10
The420Zodiac (4 replies)

The Times is claiming Adrian ran up 300k in database research charges. That is utter bullshit! Obviously these are inflated charges. I think someone at the Times needs to go to jail for filing false claims in regards to damages.

Plaintifs lie, the FBI lies and the prosecutors lie. I dont beli...

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-10
mattrix

I think the amount somewhat matches the statute of what monetary amount needs to be claimed to make a case against him. Sounds like a setup to me. There have been previous /. articles on that conspiracy as well....

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-11
Anonymous (1 replies)

I wouldnt be surprised if he did run up that much in research fees, large corporations pay HUGE sums of money for their database software (usually oracle). For instance, just for the initial installation for the Software PeopleSoft (oracle-based), somebody I know's company paid over 500k, and they ...

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-11
Anonymous

So what you are saying is that the contractors that installed (place database here) didnt do it right and so they are making Lamo pay for it?

Wow, that means I can fubar anything and wait for someone to hack in and blame them for my screwups. Kewl!...

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-11
Anonymous

A single Lexis/Nexis search can run $5k easily.

If you think the number is made up, you've probably never used the system....

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-11
Anonymous (2 replies)

And you say that based on what evidence? The Times will have to prove its case in court (or actually the prosecutor will). Has Lamo or his attourney (does he even have one?) indicated these are trumped up fees? I haven't read that.

Sounds like you're just looking for a reason to vindicate the ...

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-12
Anonymous

> Has Lamo or his attourney (does he even have one?) indicated these are trumped up fees?

Yes, he is denying it vigorously, at the same time as admitting everything else. In fact the very next article on Security Focus is about it.

The NYT is claiming that, in completely separate incidents ove...

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$300,000 in database research charges 2003-09-18
? T-Rex ?

You don't seem to know the federal procedures of a court room. Businesses can easily hide thousands and thousands of dollars within the truck loads they make. Database research sounds like to me they hired contractors or whoever to come fix the hole Lamo hacked. Maybe if they'd hired Lamo to do the ...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
apex_predator (1 replies)

"This whole business of computer hacking, viruses and so forth is getting very wearisome," said Hollows, explaining his thinking from the bench."

This jurists' ignorance could not be more obvious if it were a sword and balance Gorbachevesque birthmark. Comparing the actions of Mr. Lamo to those o...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous

You hit the nail right on the head! The goverment planned the timing and you are correct, they want to make sure that Lamo has no friends at his trial.

50 bucks says they are going to offer to drop the second charge in order for a guilty plea on the first. Most of the time the feds will add one...

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uhm relax 2003-09-10
Anonymous (5 replies)

everyone standing up for this kid. hes obviously not stupid, he himself even said he knew this day would come. he knew it was illegal, its been illegal since before he started doing it. stop this whiney free the hackers crap. hackers code programs for use and solve problems. not break known laws and...

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uhm relax 2003-09-10
Anonymous

I'm not sick of it. I think Lamo is getting a raw deal. He's not a criminal....

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uhm relax 2003-09-10
ferretzero

Well, this is the first post I have seen that has made any logical sense.

I totally agree with you and think Lamo should be arrested for media joyriding.

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you said it yourself 2003-09-10
Anonymous

you said it yourself:

"...hackers code programs for use and solve problems..."...

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uhm relax 2003-09-11
apex_predator (1 replies)

If I may, you seem to be the one that is tense. You also make some erroneous assumptions and sweeping generalizations.

Yes what Mr. Lamo did was illegal, so is carrying a handgun in New York City. If I were in New York City I would carry a handgun. If arrested I would not expect to be treated th...

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uhm relax 2003-09-11
Anonymous

Hmm...laws .... we don't need no stinking laws man!

That seems to be your attitude, and is certainly Lamo's. I've heard the man speak, shaken his hand (listened to Marcus Ranum chastise him) and really, he's just a kid who's got plenty of time and is exploiting KNOWN vulnerabilities in complex n...

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uhm relax 2003-09-18
? T-Rex ?

Let's get this straight... the kick is an ANTI-HACKER. Think of it this way... a police officer has to think like a criminal, somewhat, correct? If you don't know what I'm talking about, click the back button and go on.

In order for him to find holes in network security for huge corporations lik...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous

I believe that Lamo should face some consequences. What he did was wrong; there is no question about that. He even admitted that there are consequences to his actions. What he should have done is contacted the NY Times and said, "Hello, I'm Adrian Lamo, you might have heard of me. I'm interested...

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People want blood to feel safer 2003-09-10
DarkCrypt0

People think to much in the box and this is a great repenstation of that. With the latest worms people want blood and certain people want re-elected.

We have old school in power with old school knowledge. This is great in times of economic downfall, or diseasters, but in regards to technology its...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous (1 replies)

While I recognize Lamo's skill and acknowledge that he has not - so far as we know - taken advantage of any of the holes he has found, I still find his actions indefensible.

You don't walk into people's houses and tell them that their door was unlocked, so it's okay, you're just there to show the...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-11
Anonymous

But its not like this. Its more like a bank leaving their vault and doors open..and him going in and calling the bank and telling them the doors are open.

These security holes hurt EVERY company, and every person associated with the NY Times, not just the owners. Someone could break into their n...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
Anonymous

thats what i would do, turn it into a political issue/debate. Remember, we are strong. And as one will always be. Adrian, its a jungle out there bud. Take it easy. Be careful....

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Lamo (No Threat) 2003-09-10
Anonymous

Listen, This is just ridiculous that people

are wasting time with this non-sense. Adrian Lamo is not a threat. He ProxyHunted his way onto a corporate intranets. Who Cares. I mean

close the damn open proxy/enforce authentication. If he is truly a hacker that shouldn't be much of a hurdle for him t...

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-10
rleroy (at) avantages (dot) com [email concealed]

Come on guys, you should have better things to do than write comments about him. He just wants people talking about him, and that's what you guys are doing.

Get busy on some real things, like protecting your MP3 files from RIAA...

rleroy (at) avantages.com. (dot) . [email concealed]

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Disagreement 2003-09-10
Krash (1 replies)

I do not see hackers as bad. They are the smartest people there are when it comes to computers.

And viruses, everyone thinks there bad, the cruncher virus compresses your hard disk, and the pottasium hydroxide encrypts your hard disk. They only have a bad rep. In reallity viruses are living program...

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Disagreement 2003-09-11
Ryan Lambert

The INTENT of a virus does not matter.

There are far too many varying factors to consider when making modifications to a system. What if the computer that the hard disk was encrypted on had a piece of mission critical software that had a compatibility issue with Microsoft's EFS? That "helpful int...

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Way to go FBI!! 2003-09-11
Jagdwulfe (2 replies)

Afterall Lamos has been doing this nonsense for how many years? Granted I do not want to see him in a Fed Pen with Drug Dealers and Killers I do want him punished. Sorry folks examples need to be made here. For every ethical Lamos we have twice as many knuckleheads who just want to cause trouble. La...

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Way to go FBI!! 2003-09-11
apex_predator (1 replies)

I'm not sure that most of the major corporations that Adrian Lamo (rm -f *s) has helped would agree with your view.

I respond to your post only because I believe it typifies the problem. You can't lump "cybercriminals" into one large lot ala "arsonists" or "pedophiles". We MUST begin to examine ...

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Way to go FBI!! 2003-09-12
Jagdwulfe

I think you misunderstand me in a way Apex. I do not want him to go to the hardcore prison afterall he did nothing violent but he does need to be punished for his transgressions. I think some time in a min security prison without computer access might be a good way to get the point across that going...

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Way to go FBI!! <-- This is pathetic 2003-09-11
Bowman

Hmmm... Here we seem to have someone who was close enough to have first hand personal information on how Lamo lived. Do please further enlighten us on the subject.

However, I'm faily confident that this not the case. Lamo is ready to accept responsability for his actions, he himself said that. Th...

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New Paper Headline: 2003-09-11
[.FU.] Cyber Neophites (2 replies)

Hey

What the f**k. This is a 22 year old kid bordering on genius.

Don't you people understand that Prosecutors have to prosectute somebody in order to keep their jobs hahaha. This is a simple easy case for those too lazy to actually look for 'hacking' hackers.

News Paper Headline :

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New Paper Headline: 2003-09-12
Ryan Lambert

You are totally missing the point.

It's not his intentions that caused him to have charges pressed against him. It's the simple fact that he gained UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS to several networks of large corporations, and snooped around. Are you telling me that this is not illegal? If so, I would like t...

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New Paper Headline: You're a moron. 2003-09-12
Anonymous

What a load of communist babbling crap. God I bet you are one of those people with a "manifesto".

Now go watch your "hackers" movie, kiddy. Lamo is a goof and always will be....

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Lamo surrenders, is released 2003-09-13
Jagdwulfe

It's nice to see people excuse his actions and blame the victim. You are no better than the Defense Attorneys that claim a woman was asking to be raped because she was provactively dressed. Fact is he committed a crime. Fact is he knowingly did this. Stop blaming the victim and put the blame where i...

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