War of words rages over Internet taps

War of words rages over Internet taps
Kevin Poulsen, SecurityFocus 2004-04-14

The public comment period on a Justice Department proposal to make the Internet easier to wiretap ended Monday with most of the filed comments tracing a clean line between two opposing camps: on the government's side, federal, state and local law enforcement agencies who perform wiretaps, allied with companies who sell surveillance equipment and services; on the other, Internet companies who would be forced by the plan to make changes to their networks, along with advocacy groups concerned about slowed innovation and an incursion on Internet privacy.

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-15
Anonymous (3 replies)

the only effect this will have is that we will be more aware

of the fact that we are monitored (which happens already).

this will make people adopt encrytpion, which is a good thing,

and as far as i know the US goverment can't

do a MITM attack legally, it can just monitor.

the only thing t...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-16
Anonymous (2 replies)

Well, I just wonder what will happen when I in my free country the netherlands start to spread mails where I declare Bush should be shot and all terrorrist are hero's (which of course I dont!! but it's still my right here) Even start to threath I will kill Bush. Would this mean I get the FBI on my d...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-16
Real life (3 replies)

And when terrorists strike your beloved free country and kill thousands of your countryment, perhaps your sister, your mother and father, your wife...

You'll be screaming to your police, your government "Why didn't you do something? Why didn't you stop them? Why didn't you KNOW they were going ...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-16
shots (1 replies)

those who give up freedom for security deserve neither...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-17
Anonymous

>those who give up freedom for security deserve neither

A quote which I've heard a thousand times, and which took you zero thought to post here. So by that comment you mean what, we should have 100% freedom? Kiss your safety, your worldly possessions, and eventually your own ... goodbye.

How...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-17
Anonymous

free..but not that freedom for sure.

this is abusive.

if something goes wrong on internet,

is because the poor knowledge by people

in general on internet communications subject,

that should take some preventions for that not to happen.

This situation is similar to many others on our

lives, ...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-18
Real Life? (1 replies)

This is BS, monitoring never prevent anything, but only aprooved, spyware and others like that.

That's a real life, read the history of networking in other countries (SORM, ECHELON and othres).

Expert....

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Grow up. 2004-04-19
Anonymous (1 replies)

> monitoring never prevent anything

Oh, so you have inside information? And you somehow know that monitoring had nothing to do with the breakup of any of these terrorist plots?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2680675.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2690629.stm

http://news.bbc.co.u...

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Grow up. 2004-04-20
Coldman (1 replies)

The truth is... If I want to avoid monitoring, I'll (at least, if I am not a suspect yet).

Encryption, steganography and such stuff is still there, and, after all, only stupid criminal (or terrorist, or whoever) will use public communictaions in clear text to transfer secret or important messages...

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some basic reading skills required here 2004-04-20
Anonymous (1 replies)

>Still believe that monitoring will help? Dream your dreams - that monitoring will protect you...

Locked doors won't stop determined criminals, therefore they're a waste of money & time?

House fires can't be stopped so use your smoke detectors as hockey pucks and teach kids to play with match...

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some basic reading skills required here 2004-04-26
Coldman

>Locked doors won't stop determined criminals, therefore they're a waste of money & time?

Those are not intrusive, that's why it is OK. And any time I can see if it is closed or not, unlike monitoring, which is completely invisible and transparent.

And basically, yes, they are waste of money ...

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we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-18
FBI

Have just pulled your subscriber records from your ISP.

Will be dropping in for a chat soon.

You have a nice day now. ;-)...

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RE: we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-16
Anonymous (1 replies)

This 'so what' attitude is a rather risky attitude to take. It presupposes that government officials and people in positions of power and access will never abuse that power. Who honestly believes that ever single person and employee in our government and law enforcement community is NEVER involved...

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RE: we're monitored... so what? 2004-04-16
Big brother

> It's like having the local police say "Hey, lock your doors, just don't mind that we've got skeleton keys to everything. You'll be *reasonably* safe."

No, it's worse-- it's as if they could come to your door with a piece of paper and tell you that you have to open it! Oh wait, they can alrea...

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Re: we're monitored... so what? 2005-06-24
Anonymous

Just because the government can't do a MITM attack legally doesn't mean they won't do it anyway. Since when did the "government" ever care about legalities?...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-15
Anonymous (2 replies)

This is an outrage an violates our privacy as human beings.THE FIFTH AND FOURTH AMMENDMENTS OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS SECURE OUR PRIVACY!IF THIS ACT IS APPROVED THEN THE BILL OF RIGHTS HAS BEEN VIOLATED!!!...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-16
Big brother

Oh good grief. Calm down. Did you even read either of these articles in the bill of rights? Apparently not.

Here, try again: http://lcweb2.loc.gov/const/bor.html

Pay attention to the part about 'UNREASONABLE Search & Seizure' and 'WITHOUT Due Process of Law'.

There is a proper procedure...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-17
Anonymous

thats right..this issue never should be debated.

I may ask, where is our freedom..for god sakes!...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-16
Anonymous

Why don't they just start opening up everyones

letters sent through the Postal Service

as well.

These types of things are sure to be abused....

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-16
Anonymous

The problem is overreaching governmental power and abuse of that power. Ashcroft's justice department is already pushing to no longer need a court order for wiretaps. So where does that leave our "due process"? At what point do we stop worrying about criminals destroying our lives and start worry...

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Vulgarity 2004-04-17
Anonymous

Vulgarity!

Privacy

No privacy

It seems that the do good'ers in their good ideas and their want of good protection don't mind giving up our American Constitutional rights.

They want to do this for good reason.... protection from the world at large. A few terrorist?

Have you ever asked ...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-18
Anonymous (1 replies)

I feel safer now...NOT!!!!...

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The beginning of the end 2004-04-19
m0rtalis

President Lincoln may have said it best:

"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." -- Abraham Lincoln...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-19
Winston Smith er.. I mean William Ballum (1 replies)

I believe that America has a lot of growing to do. The government ... ah heck I'm not even going to going to get into that here... A good portion of the people of the United States have to learn to accept and love instead of fear and loath(sorry Hunter S. Thompson).

wakeup... the world is not...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-20
A grown up

> Sure some extremest want to attack "America" but do you really believe any of these aggressors specifically hate and want to kill you? I don't think so.

Are you serious? What world are you living in? Do you really believe that all we had to do is invite Osama over for tea after September 11t...

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would this create security issues? 2004-04-20
Anonymous

I took this as meaning hadware devices such as routers, firewalls, switches, and also sofware applications that may do the same things would be built with backdoors. If this where trough a phisical serial connection or port on the device, I sopose this would be fine. Though if this is over IP based ...

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War of words rages over Internet taps 2004-04-20
Anonymous

You kids play nice now...because you know Big Brother is taping this as well....

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Set u up.... 2004-04-21
Anonymous

There is no single answer for this problem.

There are too many issues with both, like trying to argue which is a better way of living for humans, a tribal way? a governed way?

both have failures in examples. No system created by humans has worked(or we would still be living under that system)
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President 2004-04-21
m0rtalis