World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit

World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit
Robert Lemos, 2005-11-03

World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (4 replies)

Look for the next wave of viruses, spamware and malware to all have $sys$ in their names. They'd be stupid NOT to take advantage of such a stipud blunder.

Also look for hackers to reproduce the technique used to recreate this effect. Then Microsoft will have to plug the hole, thus making all copy...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (3 replies)

They have already patched the hole in the 64 bit xp version....

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous

company released source to antivi companies. most antiviri programs will be able to 'see' viri written this way within days. hopefully it takes a bit longer for blizzard to catch up, though i doubt it....

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Wrong. Microsoft has added features into the kernel that prevent device drivers (rootkits) from modifying the kernel in such a way that effects such as this can be caused. This is good.

Certain drivers, among others Daemontools and Alcohol (!!), absolutely require this technique. Without it, hidi...

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Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Sony: "can we get a cert to put a rootkit on the PCs of all ppl stupid enough to still buy CD´s?"

MS: "Sure, if you drop the ridiculous homecopy scheme you implementen in BlueRay"

Sony: "while we are on that subject, we want a rootkit for BlueRay anti-copying as well"

MS: "........"

you honest...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

lol...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-12
fromlagstudios (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]

wow, i think someone has been using MIRC a lil bit too much. Ok, for the 1337 ones out there, we all know what to do. There were reports of cheats VERY similar to this BEFORE this "rootkit" was distributed. if you ask me, even with "The Warden" released and on the loose, i DO belive that things are ...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2009-08-19
Anonymous

i have been hacked 2 times in 4 days dont know when i will get back on

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-05
Anonymous (2 replies)

Amusing. I can copy a Sony CD for one simple reason. Audio CDs do not contain executable code that can be executed on my machine. The "rootkit" is installed if you are foolish enough to use any Sony software or drivers for their drives. I use neither and have never had a problem copying Sony/BMG CDs...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-07
Anonymous

ssshhhhhhh! I too use this technique to avoid cd theft...errrr "borrowing" from friends or out of my car by using mp3s in car & home multimedia center. How great is it to use some fundamental know how to defeat a multi-million dollar corporate "Weapons" to limit end users ability to use items they p...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-12-12
Anonymous

Audio CDs contain much more data than you expect them to. Just because you play them in your home stereo it does not mean it hasn't got executable code for Intel/AMD or IBM CPUs....

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-06
Mike (1 replies)

> Look for the next wave of viruses, spamware and

> malware to all have $sys$ in their names. They'd

> be stupid NOT to take advantage of such a stipud

> blunder.

My thought exactly. And what happens when someone finds a way to access the Sony rootkit? Yep, they'll own your PC. Sony's done ...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-07
Anonymous

I agree as well. I'm liking the security features of the books in my home library more and more...(Not notebooks by the way!) LOL! Libraries, the newest old networks for sharing ideas and knowledge! He, He!...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-09
Anonymous (1 replies)

Interesting about the WoW client, why is Warden only installed on PC's why is there no apple hidden application?

PC users must be more prone to cheating...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-29
Anonymous

I think it is available on mac. Warden is not installed anywhere when you install WoW, it's downloaded and run on the fly in the background while you play....

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WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Random Programmer (22 replies)

WoW's Warden program downloads an arbitrary, relocatable executable when connected to WoW. Unlike Sony's rootkit, it can therefore do *anything* Blizzard wishes on the target machine--they could set it to delete all your files or *anything* they program it to do, whereas Sony's device is just a roo...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
masterpasswd (3 replies)

I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say the Blizzard executable can do "anything" on your machine. I don't run windows as a priviledged user. I've taken care to isolate what regular users can and cannot access on my PC just for cases like this. If its running as a process under my profile th...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Well, you're not running WoW then (or any other serious game either), are you? ...

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (5 replies)

No, probably you don't know what you are talking about.

A process launched in the security context of a non-Administrator cannot "do anything it wants to do"...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Thats why some games REQUIRE you to have admin priveleges....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Yes, he probably does know what he's talking about. For example, you won't have the privileges to run games with certain copy protection schemes as a restricted user in the first place. You would have to set up a "run as" shortcut and run it as a privileged user. In general, running Windows as a res...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

The WoW software can not do "anything" on your pc. They are only checking the incomming and outgoing data for cheats. blizzard can't delete files or search for files with this software on your pc ...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-06
cosmin

no sh... how do you know? you work for them?...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Don't be so ignorant -- most people with home PCs are ignorant enough to run their machines as administrator at all times....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2006-03-21
Anonymous

Wtf? all you do is get rid of the trojan when you get one!!!!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Actually, something ran as a rootkit is before and beyond permissions. It is at a different layer in the OSI model so you might rethink your approach to rootkits....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (2 replies)

WoW's program is not a "Trojan" it cleary states that it is there in the terms that you agree to when you hit "Accept". It doesn't search your machine for anything other than programs that people use to "Hack" the WoW program and therefore CHEAT. If your a cheater, you should be caught and banned ...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

Why do Blizzard employees post here?...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
ahac (1 replies)

LOL

He is a Blizzard employee because he doesn't want cheaters in the game?

I have seen many mmorpgs and many chests and I don't want some cheater asshole to ruin my fun at the game that I'm playing (and paying!). And if that means WoW is scaning my programs.. OK.

I understand that this is a...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

I understand that this shows how incredible PATHETIC some people are - that the [un]/[mis]authorized use of a program THAT SPIES ON YOU

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-07
Anonymous

Dude, look in the mirror.

If you're playing WoW, you're ALREADY RUNNING BLIZZARD SOFTWARE. Be it the game client or Warden, you're placing your trust in Blizzard not to screw you over.

If you have so little trust over warden, then shouldn't you also mistrust the game client? Go paranoid ever...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (2 replies)

"any software that downloads untrusted, unknown executable content without so much as my consent should *never* be allowed even on an untrusted network." You know that part where you click "Agree" after a ton of text....yeah, that gives them consent to do it. Read through one of those sometime, you'...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (5 replies)

Not really the point Blizzard employee. Look, programming a piece of software designed to work as this trojan software does: downloading searching and then disabling other software based on any parameter is a scary big honkin hole in your security. Those of us frightened by this may not even play ...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Rik (1 replies)

You're one hell of a nutjob, you know that.

I'm going to tell you a little story. There was a war. Some soldiers hid in a big horse. It was taken through the gates by the besieged army who believed it was a gift. The soldiers came out and slaughter ensued. This is where the term Trojan comes...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-06
Anonymous

Amen....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

I'm not understanding how he's a Blizzard employee for understanding that "Warden" is outlined in the End-User Lisence Agreement. All of my friends know that Warden is running, and yet, they still play the game. They don't hack WoW, they don't search for exploits, and when I explained that's what ...

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Anonymous (1 replies)

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (3 replies)

All your friends may know that Warden is running - **BUT THEY DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WARDEN IS /DOING/**

Now we know - it is looking /beyond/ what is necessary into areas it really has no right to - by admission of Blizzard 'We don't use the data' (but it gets it anyway!).

//That's the proble...

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Anonymous (2 replies)

Okay, they know it's running, they don't know what it's doing, but the point is that you know it's running.

Would you rather have a cancer that you know about, is out in the open, does no more than touch all of your organs briefly, before it goes somewhere else, and the whole time, you can track ...

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Anonymous

No cancer is acceptable. Period....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2007-06-10
Anonymous

sorry, my body is alot more important than my computer, and id rather have my computer having all those viruses to suddenly expload one day, like 5 years after, and then just buy a new comp. i mean, if u had the chance to buy a new body everytime u got cancer, anyone would do it, no? relating the bo...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-09
Anonymous (1 replies)

it is going further... who tells you that blizzards data center is safe enough? Some hackers find possibilities to get the data and no one knows what they are doing with it....

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Anonymous

So a hacker has found a way to read the data that's being collected about your cheating habits...

...personally, I'd say that the hackers breaking into, say MasterCard, or a bank might be worse.

...and I still don't see how the "potential" for this to be malicious is worse than things on you...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2006-12-17
Anonymous

Yeah, because it's not like most users give their credit card info to them every month anyways *roll eyes*...

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

It doesn't disable anything. If it detects a cheat being run, it flags your account for banning....

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-06
Anon

You'd make a good writer for the KKK...

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WoW's trojan is worse than the rootkit and its Illegal 2006-10-21
Anonymous

Most people would agree with you that the EULA gives the company the right to do whatever it says in that agreement. Most people would be wrong however. The legal consensus and in a very real sense from the time of Sarbanes/Oxley and the recent legislation passed by congress explicilty forbids the...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Tim

"the files i have access to."

...so you're saying that the worst it could do is destroy all of your data?

You're right. I don't know what the fuss is about....

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-07
Anonymous

That's enough of an assault on the files accessible to the logged on account to be unacceptable. A bully taking a kids lunch money, a mugger holding up a person at their ATM machine, or a company exec embezzling millions have different "levels" in the degree of theft committed. But, in terms of t...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anon (2 replies)

Not that this is any consolation but every time Blizzard sends down a patch you have to re-Agree with the EULA to be able to play the game. I'm guessing, though I have not verified, that there are some words in there that relate to Warden in some legalese that does not specifically call it out as ...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/legal/termsofuse.shtml

E. In order to assist Blizzard Entertainment to police users who may use "hacks," or "cheats" to gain an advantage over other players, you acknowledge that Blizzard Entertainment shall have the right to obtain certain information from your com...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

Do you mean Sony stupid or just plain old stupid?

If it's Sony stupid they probably didn't include it in the EULA...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

Exactly how is the Warden untrusted and unknown? If you don't trust WoW, why do you run it?...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (2 replies)

Trusting WoW and trusting Warden-downloaded code is two completely different things.

WoW requires a conscious effort to patch, and you can verify the installed material after you've patched.

That means that you can *check* what your local WoW-copy does.

Warden, OTOH, installs anything it wants ...

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

Wow are you ignorant... You have to agree to the new EULA before downloading the Warden program. If you read the new EULA it tells you that by agreeing with it you are downloading the Warden program.

""Warden, OTOH, installs anything it wants (I'm not even sure it stores it in a permanent file lo...

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-07
Anonymous

So do you reverse the WoW client everytime it gets patched? If not, you're running unknown code, as you'll never know what it completely does....

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

You give consent every time you click on "accept" in the eula.

It's hardly Blizzard's fault if you fail to read the agreement....

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (2 replies)

are you guys really that dumb.. every one thinks the eula is law , is god, is binding. its only law and binding when there is a law that can uphold what they put in the eula.

accepting them puting the software on your system is your fault true but what they send and do with it is not 100% ok unl...

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

and it doesn't send sensitive data. The writeup that's gotten people all upset about it says that it looks at the processes and proceeds to make a big deal out of that. So does your anti-virus/anti-spyware program. But it only sends data about hacks to Blizz....

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

User agreements aren?t so much about ?law? but rather about protecting the company?s interest, period. Basically the agreement excludes the company from any liability if you (the end user) were to attempt to take them to court and it is indeed binding (they don?t hire a team of lawyers to write this...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous

Don't lie, you'd still play WoW.

We all do. :)

And now your wow-helper programs can safely run again after cloaking them. :)...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous

You're free to remove WoW, along with Warden. Have you tried removing this rootkit?

Dumbass...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

LOL, have you ever read your Windows EULA? It gives M$ the same power over your computer as warden does if not more. It also allows them to install, uninstall and scan anything, anytime in the name of ANY of their "partners".

You think Blizzard is bad? M$ is worse. Here see for yourself...

htt...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

Ah yes, for an unbalanced view of Microsoft, let's go straight to "linuxadvocate.com"! They're SURE to give MS a fair shake!

LOL...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! (you gotta be joking) 2005-11-03
Anonymous (2 replies)

You gotta be joking...

The moment you run any application, you are trusting the person who wrote that app to behave and not do anything evil. It doesn't matter if part of the application's code is downloaded or not, if they wanted to screw you up, they would.

If blizzard wanted to delete all your ...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! (you gotta be joking) 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

In sony's case nobody expects this crap from a MUSIC CD. What the hell. Whatever happened to putting in a cd and just playing the songs. Next thing we'll have a pop up box halfway through a song "Do you agree with this artists views on life?" "Try viagra free for 1 month!"....

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Re: Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! (you gotta be joking) 2005-11-07
Anonymous

Outstanding! LOL!! I think you might have the skills to be a Hall of Fame calibre talent in the advertising/marketing/promotion/sales profession. The scary part is that you know somebody is probably out there trying to put together a campaign like that with a Jessica Simpson skank pose Poster avail...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! (you gotta be joking) 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Excuse me while I step out and get some Hot Coffee....

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous

Most retarded post ever. If you don't trust WOW, then don't run it. DUH. You never consent to running/installing Sony's rootkit. You consent to run WOW every time you manually double click the icon, manually install patches, and manually click "YES I AGREE" on the EULA every time any of the soft...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Anonymous

the Warden is just a component of the game -- if you don't trust it, you shouldn't either trust the whole WoW main executable or any of its library, neither Windows nor any program that is currently running on your PC - even this very browser you are using to read this....

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-03
Steve

Technically the WoW main executable could do anything, yet for some reason you trust it each time you play WoW. So why do you have a problem with the software downloading a small piece of executable code (written by the same company) each time you play.

Blizzard are unlikely to do anything to dam...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Exactly, because I *totally* trust all those worm and virus writers more than a legitimate software company......

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Yes, Warden could delete your files. But so could a world of warcraft patch. Or any other .exe you install on your computer. If you trust blizzard enough to install WoW and trust that WoW won't nuke you, then why wouldn't you trust Warden not to hose you? Either way you're at the mercy of blizzard. ...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

yeah, so, that EULA you skipped over when you installed WoW?

I'm sure it allows Blizz's Warden software.

I don't play that lame-ass game, but nonetheless, if you installed it and you stepped through a EULA, you're likely bound and fucked.

Sony/BMG software designed to keep you from making a...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2006-03-27
Anonymous

Sounds fair enough to me as far as the game goes. It would be tons more scary if Sony/BMG was allowed to collect data in files and transmit it.

Instead of just blocking functions. Imagine that and some College aid in the whitehouse popping a music cd in his laptop. He happens to be connecting to a...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

According to Mike Healan at SypwareInfo, Warden does nothing more than read the names of windows and hash check running processes. (http://www.spywareinfo.net/nov4,2005#warden) In other words, it does about the same thing as Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC). I trust Mr. Healan more than all this anti-Warden...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

wow...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

You're comparing what sony does to what blizzard could theoretically do in the worst possible scenario... Yeah that makes sense o.O...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-06
Anonymous (1 replies)

Think about the level of PARANOIA you have if you think that YOU will be the target of such an act. In what reality do you believe for an instant that Blizzard would attack your system? I applaud and endorse their actions to make my gamming experience more pure. There are a plethora of Addons to ...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-06
Anonymous

Well, the net is never a place to hold any sort of intelligent conversation.

Some points ,however, need to be made.

1. Yes the initial legal disclamer does say that they install a program that moniters you.

2. If that piece of code was ever to spy/destroy or something similar, blizzard would be ...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-08
Anonymous

If you don't trust Blizzard, why would you run WoW in the first place. It might delete your files as well as any other program from Blizzard?

Do you really think they would risk their credibility by hurting your machine?

And if you are talking about unintentional harm, due to programming error...

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-08
Dvo

I *really* dont care that wow scan my files on my pc if it can prevent cheaters.

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-12-22
Anonymous

You're an idiot. It's just as trusted and secure as the WoW binary is in the first place. Or are you telling us that you've reviewed all of the code in WoW an OK'd it? Yeah, thought so. Quit being a crybaby....

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2006-04-01
Voice of Reason (2 replies)

Anyone who plays World of Warcraft deserves to have their harddrive erased anyway. To let a program this risky and insecure access to their data just to play an infantile game like this needs to urgently look at their priorities in respect of the importance that computers are gaining now in day to ...

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2007-05-16
Anonymous

Voice of Reason: You are a very funny person....

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2007-12-02
Anonymous

STFU, any program can cause harm to any machine, be it through e-mails or whatever. a reputable company like blizzard are and will not do anything to jeapordise there reputation or future of the company. it's up to the owner of each machine to ensure it stays clean from viruses (from searching porn ...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

I think that is a wonderful can of worms that has been opened and that it is going to be VERY interesting to watch. I am also very glad that I had already sworn off buying any new music unless I am sure that it is a true Red Book standard Compact Disk....

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous

I only see this as greater justification for intelligent computer users to pirate music. I'm pretty sure it would be useless to put a virus in an MP3, but you can put some nasty stuff in the autorun on a CD-ROM (or the boot sector for that matter). I can't wait until everybody is paranoid enough abo...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

Its called OSX -- loose winbloze. Problem solved....

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Not a very contributing reply, is it?

You might as well say, dont play WoW....

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

Didn't SOE do this with EQ? There was huge backlash if I recall and SOE basically stopped doing it. It was a PR nightmare. How come Bliz can get away with this? It was in the SOE TOS as well if I recall....

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-03
Anonymous (1 replies)

Blizzard vs. Sony hmmmm which one do i trust? I think I'm voting Blizzard... that's why they can get away with it. They aren't doing anything malicious to anyone who isn't using anything they shouldn't be. I think Blizzard has done a bang up job with WoW and it's only gonna get better. Don't cha...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous!!! (1 replies)

And SOE was doing something malicious? They were doing exactly the same thing. They were scanning process to see if people were using ShowEQ.

I play both EQ and WoW and it isn't about trust. Personally I don't care because I don't cheat and the people who do cheat really don't care because the...

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Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-07
Anonymous

I think the reason folks are willing to let Bliz slide on this one, is we all remember what fun diablo abd diablo2 became after the cheaters destroyed battle.net...

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Using Sony BMG rootkit for WoW cheating is child's play... 2005-11-03
Gabriel Kent

...imagine using the Sony rootkit to cheat you out of your banking/investment/email/keystroke information...

To think this rootkit installs itself from a music CD...

This whole DRM thing is starting to remind me of the nuclear arms race...imagine how many boxes are infected with this rootkit.....

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Original Geek

The thing everyone here is missing is the potential this stupid Sony DRM-ware has to ruin online gaming once and for all. All anyone need do is name their 733t hax $sys$<hax> and all anti-cheat countermeasures are defeated....

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
+Holy Father

Spend 5 minutes to open up hexedit and change the rootkit prefix to something other than $sys$. Then lets see Blizzard come out with their own Strider. =)...

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Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2005-11-04
noogoo (4 replies)

Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund and if they don't, aren't they pretty much saying they don't want it back? which in turn means you can do whatever you want with it? like share music, play wow on private servers, etc....

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Re: Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2005-11-04
Anonymous (1 replies)

Your completely illogical and unfounded statements make me ashamed to be of the same species as you.

The assumption that the inability to "return" a physical manifestation of an intellectually copyrighted work HAS NO RELATION to your rights as to how to use the intellectual property....

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Re: Re: Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2006-08-09
Anonymous

It looked like more of a joke, maybe you should try being nice and give your superiority complex a rest....

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Re: Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2005-11-04
Anonymous

There's still cost depreciation....

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Re: Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2005-11-05
Anonymous

>>play wow on private servers

No, thanks.

Private servers have much more cheaters, much less functions, etc...

I'm playing WoW in a serious guild (all lvl 60 for a long time) and enjoying it very much.

But cheating would make the game worse! I want to have fun without cheats.. and I want fai...

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Re: Return WoW, Sony CDs, for a Full Refund 2005-11-07
Anonymous

Wow, dude--I've been working my way through this convoluted thread for some time now, and that was the dumbest thing I have read yet.

There is no relation between a return-policy and copyright law. None. The fact that Blizzard will not "take back" purchased and used games, and Sony will not acc...

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Sony BMG rootkit: how do you spell $$classactionsuit$$? 2005-11-04
Anonymous

from the cure costs more that the sickness department. Free plasma TV when your 'puter dies? Thanks SONY...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-04
Anonymous

Wonder what processes it'll see on my linux box running wow under cedega :)...

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Sony trying to undermine competitor for own MMO Everquest? 2005-11-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

Just a thought, I don't really believe it, at least, not that it was deliberate. But now that the issue has been discovered, you'd better believe the idea that this is hurting EQ's biggest competition has occured to Sony executives. You don't get into that kind of position without being crafty, afte...

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Re: Sony trying to undermine competitor for own MMO Everquest? 2005-11-05
Anonymous

You've missed the point. The rootkit would allow any malicious code to go undetected, even towards Everquest or as another person had stated further up: banking, passwords, keylogging, etc....

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Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

When you agree to the TOS for WoW you are told that invasive methods are used as anti-cheat technology. Hence if you dont like the possibilites of what the Blizard AC program(s) could do to your machine just dont accept the TOS and cancel your WoW account then uninstall it, simple as....

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Re: Re: WoW's trojan is worse that the rootkit! 2005-11-05
Anonymous

Yup I'm cheating in WOW,rootkit is a nice touch....

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In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-05
Anonymous (4 replies)

Here in sweden the goverment has approved a law that permits the music and video industry to log all ip-traffic and log all activities that you take on the internet. A private citizen sharing a movie online was convicted to a large fine last week for sharing ONE file. The evidence presented in court...

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Re: In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-06
Anonymous

Thankfully here in the usa, were not foolish to let our goverment screw us that bad. Spyware slowing down my computer? no thanks...

BTW, This has made the arguement of quitting WoW permantently. Screw 5 to 6 months for an epic set......

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Re: In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-06
Jeff (1 replies)

My God... isn't your country also the one in which all cars will soon have government-mandated keylock breathalyzers? How long before they issue all of you diapers and leashes? What happened to the wild Vikings of yore? Rebel!...

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Re: Re: In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-07
Anonymous

There's no inconvience from a breathalyzer car ignition other than two seconds out of your day. The only ones that such a thing would inconvenience would be the ones attempting to drive drunk. I, for one, am more than willing to sacrifice a few seconds out of my day to make sure that drunk drivers...

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Re: In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-06
Anonymous

just look what the mpaa does... (www.doom9.org, there was nice news concerning that issue)...

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Re: In Sweden this is ok!!! 2005-11-08
Anonymous

Um... No, it's not ok. No spyware or such is allowed. They log the information freely available to anyone with a internet connection.

They have no right to log anything else than the ip, and as the verdict was no more than a fine, that's all they're gonna get. The police have no right to demand per...

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You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2005-11-06
Anonymous (5 replies)

Honestly, I see much more problem with this rootkit. Having code at the physical level before permisions take place? Scary stuff.

Never mind that this Warden is not a new idea. I believe punk-buster for quake 3 has been doing this for as long as I can remember, and this code by Blizzard seems harml...

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Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2005-11-07
Anonymous

Amen....

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Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2005-11-07
Anonymous

Posts like this are like a breath of fresh air in a crowded convention room....

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Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2005-11-08
Anonymous

Thank god there are some sane people left in this paranoid world....

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Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2005-12-14
Anonymous

Shrink-wrap licences (the "accept button" ones) do not hold up in any court in the land....

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Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2006-07-13
Anonymous (1 replies)

I agree. I think software hacks are a very big threat to a company like Blizzard as there are sites where developers are constantly developing new exploits. Sites like www.tault.com or www.wowhacksworld.com. They could cause lot of damage and such code is needed. After all it is your own responsibil...

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Re: Re: You are all mouth-frothing lunatics 2006-09-22
Anonymous

Hm for your concern firstly you should learn how the hacks work. It is known that the hacks published on those sites don't work on official blizzard servers. The hacks work only on servers that are not official and are run on emulators made by different (non blizzard communities) e.g. united world c...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-07
Anonymous (1 replies)

Steve Gibson talks about the rootkit:

http://www.grc.com/sn/SN-012.htm...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-09
Anonymous

Thanks Steve!...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-09
Anonymous (1 replies)

I issue is the WoW client has the ability to download and run an executable program. Not that Blizzard would ever do anything "bad" to your computer or your data. We already install and let the Wow client run, it could do any thing it wanted to your machine, within the scope of the logged in users p...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-14
Anonymous

#1 - rogue programmers inserting malicious code into the anti-cheat software, is not really a new threat. You also trust there are no rogue programmers contributing harmful code to the WoW client, to any patch updates, indeed to any piece of software that you download or obtain, therefore this is no...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-10
Anonymous

WoW has nearly 5 million users... each paying 15 dollars a month... they are owned by Vivendi Universal a giant corporation...

the LAST THING BLIZZ WOULD EVER DO IS DELETE YOUR FILES.. AND LOSE 100's of MILLIONS OF DOLLARS

Damn you people are super nerds, live in the real world with the rest o...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-14
Anonymous (1 replies)

Nice to see the cheat writing and general cheat community here along with a few assorted whack jobs.

I remember the same groups protesting cd-keys and the requirement to be authorized to play online. Upset about not being able to pirate a game raised all sorts of so called security and privacy co...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2006-07-11
Anonymous

Doubting you'll be back to read this, but the software is a security hole. Plain and simple. I'll run WoW on my gamebox at home on it's own portion of the network; just like I run all other games.

Facts are, first of all, they know most people don't read EULAs, putting it in the EULA without maki...

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World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2005-11-15
Miku - Adjul Nurub server (1 replies)

I am an advid WoW player. This is going to ruin the game. I have(and every other WoW player) known about "The Warden" for a very long time. Blizzard put this notification in it

s "Terms of Use" clause that we have to accept after every upgrade. The only people who don't like it are the scumbags try...

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Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2006-02-18
Anonymous (1 replies)

Do the music CD have to me in the drive to hide that $sys$ files ?

Or do it hide it allways after using a BMG CD from Sony ? ...

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Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2006-03-27
Anonymous (1 replies)

WTF is this supposed to mean? Can someone please translate this into english for me? Thanks....

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Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2006-06-05
Anonymous (1 replies)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: World of Warcraft hackers using Sony BMG rootkit 2007-07-28
Anonymous

lol anyone that alters the data of any computer in any way by definition is a "hacker". what you are describing is a "Cracker."...

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Relax... 2007-12-08
Anonymous

Ok, so I've been doing research on The Warden. It seems alot of people have misconceptions about the program and what it does. The Warden is a Server-Side program that "scans" Client PC's for known hacks, and if found, flags the user's account for investigation... It could take days, even weeks fo...

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