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RFID Chips Are Here
Scott Granneman, 2003-06-26

RFID chips are being embedded in everything from jeans to paper money, and your privacy is at stake.

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Great Summary 2003-06-27
Anonymous
Thanks very much, that was insightful and tuned me into this thing that I've been hearing much about of late.

Cheers!

Para Rox...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (5 replies)
It's fascinating that the "guts" of an RFID is approaching the size of a . but a functional device also requires an antenna which necessarily has to be a good fraction of a wavelength in size. This point seems to be consciously overlooked in all the scaremongering about plots to track our banal peri...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2007-10-24
Anonymous (1 replies)
Our bodies would be the antennas. We conduct and transmit electricity. Very simple solution!...

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Re: Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-10-23
Anonymous (1 replies)
I don't think it is right to take the rights of the people by tracking us like cattle we should not allow the Government or the federal Banks to Violate our rights as Americans. ...

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Re: Re: Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-11-07
Anonymous
In Relations to the Bible...

RFID chips are now into people and even in the new passports now. It's either marked on the forehead or the hand.. just like the mark of the beast... seems kind of fishy to me ...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2009-11-06
Anonymous
The goverment health care plan says three years of signing bill it will be mandatory in everyone.In time to come if you don't take take the chip you will not be able to buy or sell anything.The BIBLE say it is the mark of the beast and when you take you will not go to heaven.it not fear its time peo...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Not really, this is very common in the auto industry as well, my key to my ford focus alerts the car at 25 or more feet away, and this is just my small key. If the feasable amount was 4 ft it could be done. We would truely need to know the frequency and such to calculate the appropriate attenuatio...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-02-02
Anonymous
this rfid chips thing gonna have to stop this chip thing no one is not gonna accept and your your putting a rfid chip in clothing and paper money thats so stupid...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
"a functional device also requires an antenna which necessarily has to be a good fraction of a wavelength in size".
Well, many RFID systems (especially at 13.56 MHz) actually use *magnetic* coupling, so the coil/antenna dimensions only affect range. Typically operating range will be of the same or...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
That made no sense...but thank you....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-02
Anonymous
This is truthfully the first time I've heard anything in depth on this subject, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I know exactly what I'm talking about, because I'll be the first to admit I don't. But, the idea of manufacturers using the chips for security purposes (to reduce theft) rai...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-02
Fred Dunn (1 replies)
What's the hub-bub bub? Do you think you have privacy now? if so you are so fooling yourself. This added granularity of privacy invasion is just an evolution of what is already in place. For those of you that purchase anything from DVDs to Refrigerators look within the packaging, there will be a pas...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2007-04-16
Anonymous
another reaction Orwell said would happen. The oh well we have no privacy anyway. Not as bad as the ooh its for the good no one will use it for evil. But just the same, if people don't think this could be used for evil they have no recolection of the history of this world....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-03
Anonymous
Stefan-

What are you talking about? Do you know that in the US everything is being done to know everything about you and what you are up to? European countries have more privacy and freedom than US - trust me. In the US freedom is only a word that has a meaning in the dictionary and nowhere else....

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unique id's 2003-07-03
Anonymous (1 replies)
This might be taking things a little simply, but what benefit would there be to putting a completely unique identifier into every pair of jeans, or into every tyre. Would it not be more practical to go the way of the barcode and have 1 number for each product line (including different sized jeans)....

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unique id's 2003-07-08
Anonymous (1 replies)
So, initially, when I want to do nasty things, I buy a new pair of jeans and go straight away to the Salvation Army and donate them --- I must be homeless but can afford to buy new clothes!
More to the point, the size of the database(s) really required to correlate this information puts the relativ...

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Re: unique id's 2008-03-13
Anonymous
but dont forget the big picture is that they want them implanted in human skin to "increase Security from terroists" the jeans and money is just a simple testing ground...

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RFID could also mean consumer power and an easy diet 2003-07-07
Dennis SCP (1 replies)
The RFID on consumption products should be backed with a standardized
XML product information database run by the government. This should be
freely available to the consumer.

A USB kitchen balance with RFID would then scan and weigh the bottle, you
would fill your glass, put the bottle on the ...

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Re: RFID could also mean consumer power and an easy diet 2008-09-16
Anonymous
The chip could also tell you it's time to wipe your ass too, but it will limit the amount of paper you're given to do so, as to not waste. By removing the hefty burden of making mundane decisions you may be freer to choose from the arrary of products carefully selected for you based on your past pur...

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RFID Chips and thiefs 2003-07-08
Anonymous (1 replies)
I think that the RFID dispositive today can be readed 0-4 feet no more, but what happens tomorrow if someone ivent one antenna that can read the actual RFID to 50 or 100 feet or maybe more.
One thief can scan your home looking for dvd's or video recorders, electronic devices, etc and can decide ent...

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Re: RFID Chips and thiefs 2009-04-13
Anonymous
by this logic we should all live in run down homes with a broken old car so no one decides to break in or take your ride.

Dont fear change....

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RFID would be rendered useless easily enough. 2003-07-08
Anonymous
Hmm... I wonder how useful all of this would be if one were to wander around the local Supercenter with a jerry-rigged EMP burst generator stashed in one's backpack... wouldn't take much more than a lawnmower battery, a switch, and a few choice parts from Radio Shack

Of course, this says nothing ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2005-08-03
Anonymous
I?m looking for a consumer RFID solution. I just installed a Pluto Home (plutohome.com) smarthome/media server system. It has a ?follow-me? feature where when you enter a room, your Bluetooth mobile phone turns into a remote control for the stuff in that room, and your preferences will follow you ar...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2005-11-15
Brandon
You know whats going to happen? Well heres whats going to happen, Once this RFID thing catches on more and more all of the hackers all over the world will catch on as well and they will bypass this thing. Its also possible one will upload some type of virus to the satellite that will shut it down....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2006-01-05
ParanoidNot
With un-encrypted RFID the US government is now issuing in Passports we all need to protect ourselves from privacy invasion. Most places on the web say to wrap your wallet in ?tin foil?. I am sick of hearing that RFID signals are blocked by Aluminum foil. They are not stop believing it. My fathe...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2006-03-13
Anonymous
next you WILL have aone world government and rfid will be a tool for destruction....

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RFID Shield lets you choose when RFID tag is readable 2006-04-11
Anonymous
Here's an easy way to make individual cards (e.g., id cards) RFID invisible.

Background: RFID tags are appearing everywhere. They can be embedded in plastic cards such as credit cards, id cards, passports and other places. There are privacy concerns about these tags being read without the owners ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2006-07-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
The one thing you are missing in your argument is that the only reason for the COLLECTION of information is ultimately the USE of that information, just what agency could possibly have a use for information regarding the ordinary movements of ordinary people. There is a falacy in your concerns in t...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2006-08-23
Anonymous
What would happen in the near future if the technology became stronger (more range) and all citizens had to be chipped. Then, say, you wanted to go to a protest rally against some government policy and the black vans roll by, scan the crowd, and make midnight visits to all who attended. This is wh...

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RFID Chips Are Here: Chips in Humans 2006-12-03
Anonymous (1 replies)
Can you believe this website?!
limbidsystem.com
I guess they are implanting RFID chips in people as a security measure....

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here: Chips in Humans 2006-12-05
Anonymous (1 replies)
Yes i can believe it, thanks to the lack of education, and lack of common sense, we have many people believing in fantasies like "war on terror"? somebody's watching too much tv.. a sense of security with chips implanted in your body?, its sad to see our country turn out this way.

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Re: Re: RFID Chips Are Here: Chips in Humans 2006-12-31
Anonymous
Couldn't agree more with the person who stated they could believe the RFID chip. I too, am not surprised by this. This country is going too far with the terror nonsence and making its own people piss their pants for nothing. America has turned into a three ring circus and it's only a matter of time ...

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RFID Chips Are Here// Rev 13:16 2007-04-26
Joanna Oznowicz-Davis

Right now, those things are a 'convenience' but soon, they will be MANDATORY. As in, you take it or you DIE. Don't believe me if you don't want. But just in case you're wondering, and you enjoy a good read, check out the LEFT BEHIND series. The MARK is especially relevent.

DON'T TAKE...

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Orwell Was Right 2007-08-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
Orwell was right. He simply got the technology wrong. Rather than Big Brother (The Bilderberg Group, the CFR, the U.N., et al) watching us on video cameras, they'll be keeping tabs on us via RFID, instead. When the North American Union, the European Union, and all the other "Unions" that are forming...

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Re: Orwell Was Right 2007-10-04
Anonymous (1 replies)
Everybody, I hate to say this...a lot of people who read this will probably think that I'm a conspiracy theorist who has no clue what I'm talking about. I'll tell you what I don't know...anything about how this thing works. But I know EXACTLY what it is going to be used for(not a opinion). The la...

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Re: Re: Orwell Was Right 2007-12-18
Anonymous
You gotta crawl before you walk. Start small, then we can talk....

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Too far 2007-10-05
KATRINA (2 replies)
Im really against Inserting the chip into humans. Im really angry that they are luring people into a false sense of security with them so they don't have to force people to have them, but instead people will demand to have them! Sickening.
I also agree that people should be informed when they are c...

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Re: Too far 2007-10-19
Anonymous
it won't stop!!! it gets worse have u ever heard of the mark of the beast.
well one government controls the whole world ,imagine that....

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Re: Too far 2007-11-11
Anonymous
YEs its a shame the goverment is luring people under false pretenses. I like you wish people would wake up and see whats going on all around them instead of watching CSI on their couch. Its a shame Americans think they live in democracy when really they are very much controled. I believe the RFID ch...

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RFID Chips Are Here. 2007-10-14
Anonymous
This is something my dad and I talked about since I was a kid (40some years ago). This is certainly end times...and thanks to your article, I WON'T be buying anything especially from WalMart. They SUCK. And this whole thing sucks. I hope everyone keeps their eyes and ears open. We're all in TROUBLE!...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2007-11-11
Anonymous
Don't be fooled by everything around you. Don't think the goverment is looking out for you because its not. All big goverment is driven by money and power. The American goverment is planing on issuing this chip to the American people. The goverment wants to control you if u opened your eyes and look...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2007-12-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
You have no idea. If you were there to remember or if you've read about it in history books from school, you'd know that something like this has already happened. Just not with the advanced technology. "Show me your papers!" Whether the people agree on it or not, these chips will be implanted within...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2007-12-23
Anonymous
I agree with what you say, but then what the hell are we suppose to do about it?...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-01-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
This is frightening. How do we stop it? Can we stop it? I mean what do we do to protect our constitutional rights? So many have been taken away already and it seems to be going in a downward spiral....

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-01-22
Anonymous (1 replies)
Its called a revolution! Thats what we need to do. Make the government listen to us for once. Cause thats who is controlling it and everything else that happens in this world! REVOLUTION PEOPLE!!!!...

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Revolution is the only answer 2008-03-14
ginger (1 replies)
We are not powerless - we can control what happens, with our dollars, with our vote and by joining together to make a difference. We can't wait for someone to come save us - we have to do it ourselves and not be afraid. I would rather die free than live in slavery and I know I am not alone....

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Re: Revolution is the only answer 2008-07-08
Anonymous
Lets not let them get deep that revolution becomes useless. The second they become madatory is the second we have major riots, and they know this
Stay safe...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-01-30
steve
I own a microwave, and ill just nuke the rfid in say my jeans or shoes even my money...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-02-06
Anonymous
If any man except the mark, he too will taste of Gods wrath. You guys should really read revelations now. The bible isn't all smoke and mirrors.

God bless you all...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-02-08
Anonymous
Great insight into the scary world of RFID.

Knoibat...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-02-21
Anonymous
Im looking for a very small chip device that has a range of approx 100 feet, can this be developed or is this already been developed and I just cant find it...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-03-07
Anonymous
I totaly agree that congress needs to pass a law stating that rfid chiped consumor products need to be tagged with a warning label on them.

Eric...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-03-27
Justin Lamb
Excellent Essay!...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-04-14
J Schukow
Tracking products in production and shipment is one thing. Using RFID chips to track people in any form is unethical, Unconstitutional and a step towards slavery. These chips are also causing tumors and despite this are being put in children. Buy nothing from stores such as Walmart or turn your chi...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-04-23
Anonymous
is this going to be a world wide thing?......

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WE HAD FREEDOMS 2008-04-28
Anonymous (1 replies)
-Now you see that they will take all are freedoms away from us and if we protest they will turn off our chips. There is more to life than power and control but these authority type just see control and money.
-Walmart is the leading retailer store in the US, with their infulencial power, Walmart w...

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Re: WE HAD FREEDOMS 2008-05-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
remember people....this is all part of gods plan...
you have been raised with the stories of the apocolypse....
why wouldn't u think they are true?
All that goes on is a part the worlds fate....
USA will fall and a new super power will emerge...
the question is....will you take a chip? or go hu...

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The "SUPER POWER" is the NEW WORLD ORDER 2008-08-12
Anonymous (1 replies)
The "Super Power" you refer to is the New World Order. The New World Order is put in place by years and years of the most powerful banks run by the likes of the Rockefellers, Rothchilds (sp?), etc.

They've been doing it for years. Whats worst of all about the RFID Chip is that the people will d...

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Re: The "SUPER POWER" is the NEW WORLD ORDER 2009-05-07
Anonymous
Sounds like the mark of the beast to me dont'get it this is the last sign before the coming of christ whew!!! what a glorius day it will be...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-06-01
Anonymous
they should not do that because that is wrong, it is only because of the u.s government that is doing bad and they are the devils on this earth that are putting barcodes that are 666 hiden in it. The world is coming to an end is right and the prophesy in revelation is going to be true so steart repe...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-06-05
Anonymous
in rev in the bible this chip is the 666 the mark of the beast something i wouldnt do im a christian and the bible is true word of god and if people still dont beleave what it says they are stupid cause it say the mark will be planted in the hand or fore head so i would turn away this then being for...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-08-12
Destroy the NewWorldOrder (1 replies)
Wake up Everyone!! This is the begining of the END!! Thoses Devices are made to control your little peasant lifes and track all moves. Wake up and smell the coffee!!! Dylan Avery Videos will explain everything from where this started and where the Rulers want this to end. Trust me Please and check o...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2009-01-28
Anonymous
I so do agree with you and believe these are baby steps that will end with the mark the Bible talks about that will be in the skin where no one will be able to eaither buy or sell unless they have it....

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movie very on topic 2008-08-14
Anonymous (1 replies)
check out zeitgeistmovie.com it is kinda a conpiracy movie but it goes indept into the kinda things the gov is doin ever heard of the american union or the amero prolly not because it was kept pretty secret by the goverment the national reserve is a privatly owned entity how bout income tax did you ...

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Re: movie very on topic 2008-10-03
Anonymous
Zeitgeist is the MOVIE TO SEE....Keep spreading the word about that movie cuz I am....its catching on because all of the New World Order stuff is is existence and happening every day...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2008-10-18
Anonymous
Uhm.... i'm not a fan of this rfid chip they claim to be so good i think the world is doing just fine without it putting it in our clothes and everything we own is ridiculous What we own and have is our privacy not no rfid chips we shouldn't add anymore problems to this world we already have enough...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-01-25
Anonymous
I completely agree with about everything that you have stated here. The chips are a horrible idea and they give me the creeps too. Doesn't the government have enough "spyware" with its google maps lol.nice post...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-02-01
Anonymous
Way to go, Scott. Thank You for writing the truth. People just don't realize how significant this is. I am so glad that Jesus is my Lord or I would have an opportunity to be quite frightened. He is coming!!!!!!!!! Thanks buddy, God Bless You and the USA...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-04-16
Sum1uk
this is some scary s**t. goverment slowley destroying all our civill liberties and the few elite becoming our leaders and controling us like robots.down with the world bank and the one world goverment because it on its way people.
watch american zietgiest and zietgiest for an eye opener on the fut...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-04-23
Anonymous
I used to work for walmart and the do have these things thatlook like the detectors at the front of the store in the back by the doors and exits . I know that they can read things in a box they can put something on this one table and it tells you what it is how much is in there and all. and the thin...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-04-24
Anonymous
It is a very nice Article .I request Securityfocus to post an updated article on the same topic so that we know about the Progress.honestly I think that it is not fair to put these devices in every thing we use as it will make all of us vulnerable to those who are actually behind this Master Plan to...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-08-21
Anonymous
Anyone interested in RFID chips must do themselves a huge favour, watch a film (on the internet) called Zeitgeist. The above article barely touches the surface of the dangers of this technology. What if they shut off your chip? How will you eat, how will purchase anything ever again?...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-10-08
Anonymous
Slowly we as a country are losing our rights because we demand technology that we have no idea of the inner workings...furthermore, these "I.D. Chips" are, on a larger scale, everywhere already without the consent of people who would'nt otherwise choose to know. There is no question that I might be ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-10-08
Anonymous
Slowly we as a country are losing our rights because we demand technology that we have no idea of the inner workings...furthermore, these "I.D. Chips" are, on a larger scale, everywhere already without the consent of people who would'nt otherwise choose to know. There is no question that I might be ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2009-11-09
Anonymous
"....the mark of the beast" I really do not want to be tracked that closely by Big Brother !...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
DruG5t0r3
Badest idea i ever heard of,

It would be easy to just walk on the street with some sort of device that send signals and waits for the response of people's RFID chip in people's wallet. You record them and use them later as your own ID.

It would be a good idea to, at least, improve the protocol...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Stefan Sokolowski (33 replies)
This is the most hysterical piece of security journalism I have read in a long time.

Through the sea of links, you are taken on a voyage of discovery, and the conclusions that can be made are:

1) There is a good living to me made from recycling other peoples material that you have found on the...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-02
Another Real Life security Professional
Technology advances, and if they can stick one RFID on, they can stick two on. Computer technology used to advance at 1 generation for every 18 months, now it is advancing at something like 1 generation per 11 months. Basically, RFID chips will become more powerful, and contain more data, then they...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-03
Anonymous
Stefan Sokolowski CISSP
Security Director
Unisys
UK

Wow...I never thought I would see someone in the same company as me....lol

I agree on your outlooks of this but you got to admit...there is a slight amount of fear there. I worked with the military to and you know just as much as I do,...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-08
Anonymous
Thank you for typing what I was about too. I have also been involved with RFID development for a very large Auto-ID company who specializes in Barcoding and RFID. There is a major Big brother vibe going right now and it is nice to hear someone who actually knows something about the technology.

Th...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-08
Penguinisto
Actually, it wouldn't be necessary to track someone in real-time down the highway, and toll-gates or on/off-ramps (which would be less successful but somewhat workable IMHO) would make great places to scan within a small enough envelope (the ramps would be somewhat problematic still) to avoid confus...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2005-10-18
Anonymous
I must respond to the dimwit who called this hyssterical reporting. It is far from that. Some
of the major fashion houses have looked at this
not so much from the security aspect, but from a
marketing point of view, they would like to track
who wears what going to whichever event to be able
to ...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2007-08-19
Anonymous
Every comment, every out in the open question or remark, gives them more to look into to create the perfect MARK. It will be a perfect tool due to our debates. My question is How do we convince the military when the time comes that there families are experiencing this crap. What will make them turn ...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-01-22
no body
first of all thank you for your enlightening and reasuring thoughts on this technology which was developed so long ago and come a long ways in the past decade. with every passing day it ceases to amaze me how technology gets so easily replaced sometimes within a matter of months. electronics now are...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-02-28
Samuel Fischer
I geuss your just behind the technology of today are'nt you Stefan Sokolowski. ...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-06-15
Anonymous
So I'm supposed to believe the Security Director of a company that USES the tags and thus MAKES MONEY from the RFID chip that there is no reason to fear for our privacy? Sorry, mate, revolution is coming and you're on the wrong side....

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-11-05
Daniel
Personally I think you are right to a certain degree. However, you need to take a look at where technology was in the early 80's when computers were only understood by computer engineers and look at where technology is now my 4 year old godson can get on and download music on his own. The fact that ...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2009-04-08
Anonymous
From what i understand that these chips just like the ones in new automobiles can be tracked by satellite Why else do they call it GPS? global positioning sattelite anyone can see that global means world...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Pascal Allain
Outch - I think you got him......

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (2 replies)
3)The logic associated with the tyre scenario. The association of the vehicle number and the tyre would not be stored on the tag. There is no space, and Read/Write tags are much more expensive (and larger). Easy to overwrite also. So for your big brother is watching scenario, you would need to repla...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
"WRONG!!
You buy your tires with a credit card and the RFID of the tires and your credit card numbers are recorded. Then (as most large companys do) they sell this info to another company say McDonalds. You go through the drive through and now McDonalds knows your name and any other info that Wal-m...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Stefan Sokolowski
Three sentences in response and all of them are incorrect. At least we have consistancy.

:)...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (5 replies)
Well said. This author also fails to mention that ID tags in products would contain information on relevant to a specific manufacturer. The ID tag in you GAP jeans would only mean something to the GAP and your NIKE shoes to NIKE. In addition the tag would likely only contain information about the pr...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
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In addition the tag would likely only contain information about the product. So if you wear your GAP jeans back into a GAP and the ID tag is pickup by their system all they know is that you are wearing their jeans. They could also tell this by simply reading the label on the waistband o...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (1 replies)

"The ID tag in you GAP jeans would only mean something to the GAP and your NIKE shoes to NIKE. In addition the tag would likely only contain information about the product."

So what? Each tag has a unique signature so that makes it an excellent tracking device. What do the ridges and swirls in f...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-04
Anonymous
Thats exactly the point. Its the tagging of items to people and people to places at specific times, etc. Of course this information can be used in many ways to show your buying habits, where you were at a given time and yes this info can and does get sold. To think otherwise you would have to be on ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
No. Perhaps the one thing he wasn't clear on in the article, and the difference between RFIDs and bar codes: RFIDs have a UNIQUE number. Depending on what info the vendor chooses to store in their database, a particular RFID in a particular item can be associated with you, and no one else....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-29
Tom Parker (tom.parker@pentest-limited.co
Although there is much room for conspiracy theory speculation on this topic, there certainly seem to be several applications for this technology, which would be exceedingly commercially attractive to implement, therefore making some of the data privacy issues not so far fetched. For example, remembe...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
On the other hand, even though the info in a particular product "has meaning" only to the company that coded it (ie, tire serial number), those databases are wide-open to the new TIA.

Arguements about "you only have so much range" and "there would be a whole bunch of transponders replying at onc...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (6 replies)
Sounds rational... what about when the technology advances? The more it is used (ie: WalMart), the better and smaller the technology gets. Mr. Real-Life-Security Guy, look past your nose and find the bigger picture....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Mark Robertson
I must agree with the "Mr. Real-Life-Security Guy", as he was referred to. I have worked in the Automation Industry for the past 3 years, specifically in Technical Support, working with one of the leading RFID manufacturers. With the technology that is currently available there is no way that is p...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Bagheera
Some of the issues are beyond the realm of "Improved technology" and land squarly in the realm of "Laws of physics."

These are passive RF devices. They REQUIRE an antenna to gather in the "Activation energy" from the scanner and to rebroadcast the signal with their ID code. Sure, improved chip ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
i think an important idea is clearly being overlooked here.

the problem with this technology is the so called "big brother" is NOT in control of this technology as you might think. since you own the item that has been outfitted with the RFID, (right now anyways) you have the freedom to do whatev...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-29
Anonymous
Yes, I agree. We know how fast computer technology is advancing. Especially if it's widely used.
I guess by the time a law to label RFID including products is even considered, the technology is at a level which would allow basic surveillance at least....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-30
Y2K Again
Oh no! Here we go again. Time to go to the mountaintop and wait for God. For real this time. Or if He doesn't show up, maybe the aliens will beam us up. Our chips already have them on alert and they know who we are and what we have done. Or maybe it's just Santa, one of the scum on Walmart's payr...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Stefan Sokolowski
I am looking past my nose, and the canvas that I see must be different from yours. Maybe if you try to join all of those dots up you may start to get the picture !?...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Fluxxx
Hmmm, all good point and things I was wondering about, thanks.

I'm curious to see how this effects both of my jobs, inventory collection and pizza delivery. Obviously with the receiver limitations, it won't change the inventory business much right now, but down the road, it could significant chan...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
Thank you for your time to commment as an educated and knowledgeable person. Your comments were relative to my thoughts upon reading this article....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous (3 replies)

Well, if we're going to put down others' opinions then we should be ready to accept the same of our own. And if we're going to talk about omissions, we might as well talk about yours, right?

Omissions:
1)Range vs. Size - You seem to believe that just because current technology has limitations ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-04
Aywitb
AMEN!!!!! Thats it big time!!! Thats the big picture, things WILL change and to think otherwise.... Have another puff on the pipe....

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They are already using your cell phone... 2006-04-11
Thank-you!!
I think I agree with this comment most and it is succinct and valid. Currently, traffic monitoring systems will read the ESN that is broadcast to a local revceiver and look again for the next time and place the ESN shows up simply to determine traffic flows and speed/congestion. Not for the purpose...

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Re: RFID Chips Are Here 2008-01-22
Anonymous
could not word it any better. we see eye to eye....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
Sorry Stan, I got to disagree on a few points.

As to range, he indicated that the non powered ones could be up to 40', while powered up to a couple of miles. Guess what, he's right, and it doesn't take doormat/lamp post sized devices. Haven't you ever seen the gear they use to track wildlife?...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Carl Kaehler
Stefan,

I would like to take this opportunity to personally thank you for taking the time to verbalize the remarks that I have had in regards to the "sky is falling" RFID articles I have read recently. For months there have been a slew of articles in regards to RFID and everyone with an opinio...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
very interesting reply. i have to agree that RFID tags as they are are relatively harmless, though as someone else pointed out - the more a technology is used, the better it is developed. better, smaller RFID tags should be treated as an inevitability. That's why we have legislation. limiting ra...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
"1) Range verses size. Very basic issue. The smaller it is....."

In the 40s there was a new device developed - it was said it can do computation very fast. It was big in size - 1500 sq. feet and it needed 18000 and .... And of course people could not afford it and it would be used *only* for busi...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
"1) Range verses size. Very basic issue. The smaller it is....."

In the 40s there was a new device developed - it was said it can do computation very fast. It was big in size - 1500 sq. feet and it needed 18000 and .... And of course people could not afford it and it would be used *only* for busi...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
Okay, so what about a cloth with similar properties to an antenna, such as the Communications Research Lab in Tokyo have been working on and prototyping recently?

Surely that would have a larger range, as it could conceivably be woven into clothing and take up the entire surface area of the garm...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
At H2K2 there was a panel on proximity cards. For those who don't know these are those plastic ID type cards you typically wave by a "pad" to open secure doors, etc. They use the same technology as RFID tags.

One speaker demonstrated a small "device" he assembled consisting of a laptop comput...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
TKB
Thank you for your informed reply to this article. Can you tell me the major manufacturer of the RFID chips? I am looking at this as a possible investment opportunity. Thanks....

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to Stefan Sokolowski 2003-06-28
TKB
Thank you for your informed reply to this article. I would be interested in knowing the manufacturer of the RFID chips as a possible investment opportunity. Can you supply a name of a manufacturer. Is there more than one major manufacturer? Thank you....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
DigitalSpirit
Guess there was an empty saddle on the high horse...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
> This is the most hysterical piece of security journalism I have
> read in a long time.

No. That honour would seem to belong to your response, in my opinion.

> Through the sea of links, you are taken on a voyage of discovery, and
> the conclusions that can be made are:

> 1) There is ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-29
Anonymous
This is at best a short sighted response. It may well become true; just as well as the articles assertions will become true; or worse!

The internet was once a "what do we do with this" techno-wonder with limited application. I've been around the internet (or its' forebears) since I installed the ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
That Is all very fine, today you are right. I would also like to say can you remember the size and capabilities of a computer/mobile phone of just ten years ago and what they are now. I am not alarmist (dyslexic yes). I used to work for a market reseach company and the information that was collec...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
I've got to say, you're upholding the belief that the CISSP just means you passed a test.
Your reply to the article is at once alarming in its ignorance, and dangerous in its lack of foresight.
Your mentioning of what the chips can perform today, says absolutely nothing about their future capab...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
CISSPs are often the jr. security people
The author doesn't say the sky is falling, he is commenting on potential privacy-eroding technology (which the US does not legislate against) and some of the links even offer solutions.

RFID tags have been standardized and that is what he is talking about with range-v-size so your reference to la...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-27
webgiant (6 replies)
Excellent summary of the RFID issues. I would like to comment, however, on the stated RFID power source of "the radio signal that is sent to query it". Like a DDR DIMM RAM chip, it would seem possible to overload the RFID chip by sending too strong a signal to the chip. Naturally, you wouldn't wa...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-27
Anonymous
That's all I would be looking for (to knock it off *my* stuff.
Thanks for your suggestion....

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-27
Wrex (1 replies)
And if recent history is any indication (RIAA, CDMA, etc) it iwill be illegal to manipulate the chip, by destruction or otherwise, even if you do "Own" the product it's embeddin into....

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Re: NOISE DIODE GENERATOR w 100db Gain Amp 2005-12-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
Everyone can buy a Noise Generator that propogates Noise instead of the RF/Microwave Singal sent out by the Chipped Antenna, subsequently damping the Signal to Noise Sensitivity that a SuperHET Receiver would require to decode the data of the RFID. Amplify the broadband Noise with a 100db Amplifier,...

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Re: Re: NOISE DIODE GENERATOR w 100db Gain Amp 2008-03-16
Anonymous
We can buy what the US Government WANTS TO ALLOW US TO BUY. They want us to THINK we can buy the technology off the shelf to defeat personal RFID tracking. We are only fooling ourselves if we buy into that philosophy....

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-27
Anonymous
The range of the transmitted signal is a function of the transmitted power, so there is no such thing as a short range, high power transmission. The higher the power, the longer the range.

Similarly, the primary limiting factor in the tranmission range of the small chips is the fact that they ar...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-28
HexRei
*Begins building RFID killer*...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-28
Anonymous
Actually, I'd put up with the visible burn mark on my jeans. Makes a nice conversation starter for the tinfoil-hat set (with whom I seem to be increasingly sympathizing). ...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-06-30
Roger (1 replies)
My microwave oven seems to be able to generate some moderately impressive voltages on any conductors inserted in it. If you're really worried, drop your new jeans in the microwave for 3 seconds. Maybe small scorch marks around the rivets will become the new cyberpunk chic 8^)
If the item you bought...

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My RAM dies on a static discharge. 2003-07-02
hkarmark
one of the things many manufacturers are looking into ( benneton etc) is how to include a kill switch for the tags without eliminating their usefullness before the point of purchase, and legislation will almost certainly force tags in clothes to be killable (most likeley by a high signal spike). Th...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
This is scary. It will by 1984 in 2004....

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I like the idea of RFID chips 2003-06-27
Peter (5 replies)
Actually, I've been thinking about this recently. If I could have an RFID chip that I could program embedded in my body, I'd be extremely happy.

I'd love to be able to open home doors without keys, unlock my car, pay for things with just my hand. That would be great.

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People with bar codes! 2006-04-03
Anonymous
No! No! No! We are human beings not pieces of machinery or technology. We have rights, freedoms, etc....
By doing this to people we are giving other people the right to be our 'Gods' or 'Puppet Masters'.
Freedom is a very important word. It is about all that has made us different from other c...

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Re: I like the idea of RFID chips 2008-02-25
MoMoney
...you're a blithering moron, people aren't supposed to be tagged like cattle! It's people like you that allow people like Hitler to come to power! Stupid idiots just like your sorry ass....

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Re: I like the idea of RFID chips 2008-04-04
Anonymous
yer a ideat is you like RFID chips they can track you wherever you are by whoever whantes to do so...

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Re: I like the idea of RFID chips 2008-06-17
Anonymous
It is very sad to me that you would give up any privacy or civil liberties that we should have and are the only thing that keep us truly "free", for some conveniences...I think that you need to consider the consequences and what you are giving up for those conveniences. By the way, radio frequencie...

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Re: I like the idea of RFID chips 2009-07-15
Anonymous
are you crazy? open your eyes to the way main stream media is programing our minds to think this is ok. you better do your research before you take the mark of the beast!!...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
TJ
Those of us who feel outraged but helpless are counting on all the techies out there to start devising a gadget that will neutralize the chips. Make it small, cheap, and easy and we will buy. Get busy! :)

TJ...

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Mark of the Beast 2003-06-27
Charbroiled
Had to bring it up....
In Case of Rapture - Can I have your car?...

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mCloak is Here... 2003-06-27
Bob
The off switch for always on mobile wireless devices and technologies. A simple method of making your wireless stuff invisible to any other wireless stuff or signal that would want to communicate with it.

http://www.mobilecloak.com...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
The powerful signal need not have a long range. Use a transceiver to detect the actual position of the chip, then use a very short range radio pulse transmitter to knock out the chip. Naturally, this would be illegal in any property other than your own

If iam able to locate the chip thru a transm...

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Trust 2003-06-27
sh64109
While I can think of dozens of fantastic uses for these things, I can't help but think of the ease with which they could be spoofed.

If they ARE ever deployed for "effortless" financial transactions like in the American Express Blue Card commercials, I think that those deployments will be very ...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Dave Dooling
Design a handheld, short-range EMP device powered by a battery and capacitor like those in one-use cameras. Put the power supply and transmitter in the handle, and include a reflector that has to be placed on the other side of the device and virtually enclose the target before the RFID-killer works....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
2 bits.

1 Frying the info off an RFID tag, similar to how security tags are fried at the register would resolve a lot of the scenarios listed.

2. Putting RFID on money isn't so bad, wallets just have to have a lining that'll act like a simple faraday cage. Would it really add that much weight...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-06-27
Gudlyf (9 replies)
While I understand that the potential of privacy loss with the use of RFID tags is certainly there, and while at first my knee-jerk reaction says, "Whoa! Hold on there!", I then take a step back and have to say, "so what?"

Here's my predicament. I once saw an article regarding RFID tags that was ...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-07-02
Anonymous Geoff
Well, here is a good example of why you should be worried:
You buy RFID tagged jeans at the GAP. Your purchase is recorded.
The Gap has a computer crash or software error.
*Your* RFID ID tag is lost from the 'sold' list of tags.
You walk into the store, passing an RFID transceiver. When you walk...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-07-03
Anonymous
You - or your friends - make strange assumptions about other people's motives for doing what they are doing to you, and you are extremely self-centered. My advice is (in a booming voice from an atheist sky): thou shalt not endure the wrong doings which doesn't harm yourself, your family or your frie...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-07-03
Anonymous
Legitimacy is a fickle thing, crime begin in the head of the accuser, so laws are there to balance the rights of the accuser and the accused.

Example 1:

You and your friends should take a long hard look in your bookshelves.

Guess you didn't know you are probably breaking the law in several...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-07-07
Anonymous
Consider this... some wacko from wherever sees a comment you made on a website (or wherever) and decides that for the good of the world your life must be forfeit, and with less that $100 dollars worth of equiment is able to hunt you down.

Is this what you really want ?!?!?!?

Now what if that w...

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What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2003-07-08
Bad Guy
Your Finanical information.
Your Mediacl Information.
I don't want to know where you have been, I want your information so I can tell you where you are going (bank, credit cards cancels, etc). Can you see straight yet ?...

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Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2006-08-31
Anonymous (1 replies)
How would you feel if you lived in a country ruled by an extreme theocracy like the taliban and everything you did was tracked? Don't forget that you could be stoned to death for not passing throught the RFID reader at the mosque enough times a week. That would been you are not a true believer.
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Re: Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2007-10-30
Anonymous
How about you live in a State that has legalized medical cannabis and you choose to use the legal choice of cannabis for some aliment. The federal government gets a destructive attitude toward anyone that would think they can act outside their mandates. They bust a cannabis club and track down every...

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Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2007-11-07
Anonymous (2 replies)
The problem is not whether you are a law abiding citizen or not. The reason I'm concerned about the tracking is:
what if there's a government change and they're not so nice? What if they decide to infringe on your other rights with the help of this device? What if the powers that be suddenly decide...

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Re: Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2009-04-25
Anonymous
mark of the beast easy. how would you like to see your family starve to death cause you protested the change in govt over to the socalist regieme that its alreaDY headed towards....

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Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2009-07-28
Anonymous
Have you ever been infected with a computer virus or hacked? If our entire life is on RFID (believe me, this is where its heading) one well-placed computer worm can turn you from a law-abiding citizen to an escaped felon.

Besides that, whose business is it how many times a week I purchase toilet...

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Re: What does a law abiding person have to fear exactly? 2009-10-25
Anonymous
We really don't know, what sort of technology is in those chips.
How do you know that they don't have the power to show you somewhere else at the same time, maybe putting you into a scene of a murder, drug transaction, rape etc......
very very scary thought....

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Anonymous Purchases 2003-06-27
Steve Pannekoeken
"Cash is the last truly anonymous way to buy and sell."

One other age-old method comes to mind - barter....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-27
Anonymous
Can you tell me who manufactures RFID Chips? Thanks--Anne LMitch@attbi.com...

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track anyone's RFID tags 2003-06-28
RFtracker.com
You can track the movements of anyone who is wearing an RFID tag here: www.rftracker.com...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
What if you buy something second-hand with an RFID tag?...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
Subject: [DISCUSS] My column is on Slashdot!
From: Scott Granneman
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2003 12:41:22 -0500
Cc: StlWebDev List

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http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/27/1446245

My latest column on RFI...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Anonymous
Who Cares,

Like you cant already be followed or tracked down in 20 seconds anwyay.

So what if they track you down what are they going to do about it all when they find you, Give you a handshake and a medal for wearing a pair of nikes?

Oh and you think the crminals of this world are geeky ...

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You forgot about Built in burn outs 2003-06-28
Gypsy Rogers

In a couple of articles I've read about RFID tags there have been mention of built in burn outs for the tags, so that when they receive a particular signal they stop burn out completly and stop working. I'm not sure if all manufacturers are using them, but I do know the one that is producing the t...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
J
Stefan Sokolowski CISSP

You need to learn how to spell...

It's ACCESS not assess....

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-28
Jack@jackmatthews.com
Has there been any use of RFID in fiction? Besides Scott Granneman, have there been any published articles in the national press?
If a citizen is conforming to the dictates of Big Brother then he does not have a problem. However, if he cheats on his income tax, has an affair, buys hot goods, poach...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-29
elg
I somehow sense this is just the beginning of this technology, and maybe in 10 years it will be like the movie Minority report.

Damn this got-to-control-people attitude.

Great article btw....

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RFID Chips Are Here, so is EMP 2003-06-30
Anonymous (1 replies)
Drooling Rant Warning

I could really care less about my tires announcing themselves... It seems a perfectly reasonable and microscopic sacrifice of anonymity to a reasonable person. Our credit cards already do this.
Every aspect of our lives, our credit histoy, medical records, insurance policie...

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RFID Chips Are Here, so is EMP 2003-07-02
AnonymousGeoff
>The price a free society pays for its freedom, is a little bit of chaos. Such is the nature of freedom.
>Extreme security measures do not result in extreme security.

Well said!

But since Arthur Blair/George Orwell wrote 1984 (55 years ago now!), this aphorism needs to be revised. Instead of:...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-30
Anonymous
very scarey and invasive indeed!!!

....... a NZ reader..........

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-30
Amera
Interesting, but hardly the big brother threat people may think, lets face it, a lot can lareadybe told from our shopping habits, take the grocery store for example, most people purchase merchendise using credit cards or check, if we buy cat food on a regular basis for example, this information coul...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-30
Vance
You make some interesting points, Mr. Sokolowski, but you may be a bit too optimistic. True, the devices have limited range, and true, there are limits to the number which can be read. But are these hard limits? Or do you expect that improvements in technology will increase range and the number o...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-06-30
Anonymous
It's all dollars and sense boys and girls. That's the SOLE reason for using this technology, right?

So WHY IN THE WORLD would I, a proprietor of MacDonalds be remotely interested in where my customers buy their tires? What good does it do me?

Is it so that I can build a database of IDs?

Cus...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
Shouldn't be too hard to neutralize.
Any EE worth his salt should be able to calculate how much RF is required to fry
the chip without frying the product.Remember it is externally powered by another transmitter.Too much
RF and Zifff!
Have fun and be careful...

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RFID Chips Are Here 2003-07-01
Anonymous
Thinking about documents... just imagine what kind of social engineering will be possible for someone knowing the details of your identity, simply because you just passed by. How long will it take before somebody puts an id-sniffer in a crowded place, just to collect sensitive data?...

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