Can Microsoft End Spam?

Can Microsoft End Spam?
Tim Mullen, 2003-06-30

Unwanted e-mail saps security budgets and wastes everyone's time. It's nice to see Bill Gates take some responsibility for stopping it.

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-06-30
Mark

More could be do to protect us from spam but users should protect themselves through better education. There are spam filters that take into account format, address, message hashing algorithms and other attributes and provide a percentage weighting for the filter. Rather than using security as a ...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-06-30
Anonymous (3 replies)

All of these 'war against spam' articles are getting a bit interesting. I don't like spam and I wish that people would stop sending it. However, the guy posting that comment about 'e-mail' being free and open is completely accurate. Basically, if you don't want mail from certain parties, filter o...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-02
Anonymous (1 replies)

If you can send it, then I can charge you to delete it.

BTW, all you spammers need to read the fine print when spamming certain Domains, I charge 20.00 per email for me to clean and disinfect the message then to transfer it to the trash bin.

go ahead and set up a merchant account with me. LOL...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-05
Anonymous

It's hard to charge someone if you cant find them.

Have you ever been sucessful in locating a spammer?

About the only way I know of, is following the money trial, but my morals would never allow me to buy anything from a spammer, not even if it would flush them out.

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-05
Anonymous

At least the companies have to pay for the flyers to be sent out. Spam causes me charges for my internet connection, it costs me money to have space for all the spam. Flyers i simply throw into the bin in the knowledge that it did cost some substantial amount of money to produce them. In my eyes onl...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-06
Anonymous

In some ways, yes, I do agree that e-mail is free. However when used to innundate mail servers with millions of messages (especially in the case where said servers normally handle multiples of thousands) it becomes an issue of SPAMmers foisting their advertising costs on the consumers. I don't have ...

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Trust 2003-06-30
Anonymous

The company I work for currently runs its own statistical spam filter because we found we couldn't trust DNS-based blacklists not to produce large numbers of false positives. I certainly don't think we'd trust Microsoft to decide for us what is and isn't spam!

Given Microsoft's tendancy towards ...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-06-30
blacklight (1 replies)

Microsoft owns hotmail, which is one of a number of mail systems such as aol and wanadoo that spammers heavily use to abuse the rest of us. Hence, Microsoft's interest and incentive in stopping spam.

If I knew that none of the people my firm does business with uses these carriers, I'd be tempte...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-05
Anonymous

I agree that securityfocus should have a whole new section for spam.

I'm in early testing of our SpamTracking tool, and it's really effective. It not only tracks them down, but it also can "stick the spam up the ass of the spammer" literally.

The biggest hurdle of finding spammers is the I...

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Probaly only Sender-Pays will stop spam 2003-06-30
Nicholas Weaver (2 replies)

Scummy companies can generally avoid the law, look at Sharman Networks/KaZaA. Thats a company publishing a blatently illegal product, but they've managed to twart some of the most rabid laywers in the business.

It will take "sender pays", either in time and effort to authenticate (CAPTCHAs (http...

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Probaly only Sender-Pays will stop spam 2003-07-03
Anonymous

Currently snail mail "spammers" have to pay the postal service for the privalage of sending you junk mail. Considering this, I don't believe that charging the sender would stop spam, however it would tend to mean it was more targeted, and thus more likely to generate a response, so Mr CEO would be ...

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Probaly only Sender-Pays will stop spam 2003-07-06
Anonymous

Not to put too fine a point on it, but KaZAA isn't an illegal product, blatant or otherwise. It is a product that is most frequently used to acheive illegal ends. There are, too, many legal uses of the FastTrack network, such as inedpendant music, free/open software, home-made artwork/movies, etc.
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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-06-30
Anonymous (1 replies)

"Troll and Jerk"? LOL, look who says this... Tim Mullen, the ever most microsoft jerk in the whole world....

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-02
blacklight (1 replies)

You come in as a guest on this forum. In return for this hospitality, you then proceed to gratuitously and unprovokedly insult the host. What does this say about you?...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-04
Johnny Ringo (1 replies)

Well said, blacklight. I generally agree with Timothy, but you alway make very good points that I also consider. It is nice to have your input.

jr...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-06
blacklight

Thanks for the compliment.

It is astonishing how some individuals will draw the most negative inferences about others based on nothing more than the NOS that the targets of their ire make a living on. This kind of silliness is not limited to the Windows versus Linux barroom brawl, but includes t...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-06-30
Anonymous

Microsoft can't end my spam. Spamassassin already did that -- at no charge, with me in complete control, with no need for any centralized anything. And I brought 1200 users along with me.

Spam got annoying, no doubt about it. But now, even humble Mozilla mail has spam blocking. MS is entering...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-01
Paulco Miavets

I definately agree,

Its about time people got really serious about spam! I find Yahoo! have a good system I rarely get spam however as soon as I do I make sure I report it to there SpamGuard.

I know its a wild thought but I think alot of these spammers have mental illness maybe some of the pro...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-01
Ed Williams

What is the infrastructure requirements for IronMail?

If you had to design a product that would eliminate spam what would be the requirements and design line items?

You know, it would be very simple for people to only receive e-mail from the people who are in their address book. For example, i...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-02
http://www.attackprevention.com

Why is snail mail direct mailing different than spam? It fills up mail trucks and planes that pollute. It kills trees. And it is very irritating. I realise that spam cost bandwidth=mony but is that the only reason? Or is it the type of questionable content that spam brings?...

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MS should start at home first 2003-07-02
Anonymous

How ironic, Microsoft being touted as the savior in the spam fight.

Meanwhile, BCentral is blocked by most people because it is a such a huge source of spam.

And then there is MS itself. Give them an email address made just for your XBox Live account, make sure you opt out of all offers and ...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-02
Anonymous

Actions speak louder than words. MS has no interest in stopping spam.

http://www.politechbot.com/p-04869.html

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-03
Marc

I consider spam almost as invasive as a telemarketer, but not quite. I personally have never really had a problem with it, but if I were getting 50 a day, which some of my fellow associates do, then I would have an issue with it.

I really don?t think the snail mail analogy is a good one because ...

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Sure they can (was:Can Microsoft End Spam?) 2003-07-03
Anonymous

It is fairly obvious what they are upto.

1. Divert attention away from their lack of security.

2. Set it it people's minds to adopt their yet to be announced for-a-fee mail service.

No doubt the fairies and goblins at Microsoft are conjuring up some "internal" internet mail message protocol...

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Can Microsoft End Spam? 2003-07-06
JohnM

I can see where the spam issue is going to be equated with the telemarketer issue but the two are very different for at least two reasons. First, telemarketing is a new thing- it changed our perception of the telephone and we didn't like that (It also changed the terms of telephone service, in that ...

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Reinventing the wheel........again. 2003-07-10
Anonymous

I certainly would like to see Microsoft help out in the war against spam, but not by attempting to reinvent the wheel again. Rather than starting from scratch, why not lend your corporate/technical muscle to existing projects such as SpamAssassin, and make it easier to link that into Exchange Serve...

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