Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison

Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison
Mark Rasch, 2004-04-12

When a New Hampshire judge threw out chat-log evidence against an accused pedophile, he illustrated just how jumbled and confused Internet privacy law can be.

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-12
Anonymous (2 replies)

One thing about this confuses me. You can enter a "Community Chat" in AOL Instant Messenger that I assume in some way mirrors the normal AOL Chats. AOL Intstant Messegner also comes with a "logging" function built right in. So couldn't an argument be made that the perpetrator should've been aware...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-13
Anonymous

I pretty much agree with that. All major IM software programs have the ability to log conversations. Last time I checked, ICQ was the only one where logging was enabled by default.

But then, whenever one engages into a conversation with someone, he must be aware that his conversation may be recor...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-15
Anonymous

OMO, it brings another interesting point - "all sides involved" - if the chatroom _is_not_private_, the policy-anim should obtain _everybody's_ concent, should not they?

Not for the sake of pedophiles, but just to go with the law......

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-12
Anonymous (1 replies)

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"The packets are forwarded by routers and are automatically stored -- at least temporarily -- in the receiving machine's random access memory. Should converting this volatile memory to non-volatile memory be a felony? We need to get beyond the technology itself (AOL vs. ICQ)"
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I've seen the argument that the copy in RAM made by routers and even things like playback software should be treated as a permanent copy. People like the recording industry argue this in order to claim copyright control over these "copies", even though the "copy" is temporary, and only a small propo...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-12
Anonymous

I got two delimas with this, No one wants pedifiles getting teh kids.

But it seems to me, law officers strongly belive law is for everyone but them.

Was this fellow a rookie who never had arrested or been to court? Seems to me getting a warrent BEFORE wire tapping, is hardley a new idea. (All...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-13
Anonymous (1 replies)

As a non-american it made me think what the real crime here was? Since the "14-years old girl" wasn't really 14 what exactly made it illegal?

If a man had sex with a woman (30 years old) who says she's 14, is it illegal?

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-14
bee-keeper

i agree with that fact cos the person is not actually 14 yrs old so why should the situation be treated as thought they were?? it really doesnt make sense!!...

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lawful interception? 2004-04-13
Anonymous (1 replies)

please notice that this whole problem could be avoided just by obtaining a permission to do this investigation from a court.

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lawful interception? 2004-04-13
Anonymous

a court requires specifics in order to issues wiretapping (or any other really) warents. Therefore for this more forward there would have to be a specific investigation involving the person that was being recorded.

Law enforcment looks at this as essentially the same thing as when a cop dresse...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-13
Anonymous (2 replies)

By default, everyone should be aware that anything you type in an instant message can be copied and/or logged based on the person(s) options you are chatting with. The entrapment issue is a different subject matter....

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-14
Anon E Mouse

The AOL software allows for session logging, which allows for IM logging as well, and Chat room Logging, which logs everything in a chat room, but not the Instant messages. You can turn both on in the AOL Software, and log the entire AOL session, emails read, IM's, chats, boards read, etc.

You d...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-15
Anonymous

By default, everyone should be aware that anything you type in an instant message can be copied and/or logged.

Amen,just like when you throw a cigarette butt down you have donated your DNA to the public domain.When you press that send key everything you typed belongs to the net.I log all my 14 yo...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-13
Anonymous Joe

With electronic communications, the only way to prove you have an expectation of privacy should be that the communication is encrypted. Maybe everyone will get over their belief that PGP is too hard if they realize how easy it is for someone to record their communications....

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Need Guidance for Whose on First 2004-04-14
Anonymous

In cases of interstate and international text and voice traffic, how can I protect my clients? For a living I do technology auditing and computer security for national and international entities. As part of my bag of tricks I use ?sniffers? to collect traffic and then often input the data into a t...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-14
Ric Werme

Hmm. My ISP's WWW counter logged 70 references to my wife's page on the NH wiretapping statute. Most such references include the referring URL, so I went and read Mark Rasch's article.

I wonder if the law can be interpreted to say that web page counters that record such information require the c...

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and don't forget Trillian 2004-04-14
Anonymous

It gets even more muddied when you consider third party clients like Trillian and GAIM that allow one to connect to multiple chat services simultaneously, overriding the normal default behavior of the original proprietary client. In other words, even if AOL IM doesn't have logging by default, Trill...

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Pretty flimsy law... 2004-04-14
Anonymous

You could argue that a person chatting directly to you is already in consent.

There is no way to receive a message without it being recorded electronically in some fasion.

Sending a message in a public chat room means you consent to everyone having a record of that conversation.

Everything ...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-15
Roy Sullivan <lasheray@msn.com>

Be carefull in Wyoming because, it only takes one person to consent to record or copy any message. The goverment uses Wyoming to entrape people with this loop hole....

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Dura lex, sed lex 2004-04-15
Anonymous

Laws are made for people to follow them.
Like somebody already said: obtain a warrant and everything is OK.
Or was this some bounty hunter (wild west ?) setting up a honeypot ? If the conversation is all there was, where'd be the crime ?

I am a black-skinned, Chinese young baby-girl of 2 year...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-15
Anonymous

I am not sure about the specific instant messenger programs quoted in the article, but generally don't all IM arguably record the conversation?

There is a chat window, it has a complete record of the entire conversation, and when you close that window you choose to discard that recording. I don'...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-16
errtu

Does this also mean that as soon as i turn on the logging option in (eg) Mirc, i'm already violating some law for recording a conversation without the other party's agreement?

-errtu (a non-US citizen btw)...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2004-04-16
Anonymous

Yes, but how is a minor defined? Is a minor who claims to be of the age of majority still a minor? What due diligence should reasonably be performed by the other party to determine the validity of such a claim, given the medium of interactive textual chat session? Is this different than the due d...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2006-04-03
Firegirl

What about employer recording the convesations? ...

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Chat, Copy, Paste, Prison 2006-04-28
Anonymous

Question: What if a person tapes voice chat in a yahoo chat room and then puts it on their website? is this illegal? How about personal messages? Can a third party post them on a website? If illegal how does one file a police report against the person? Please be specific as possible. State: Californ...

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