When Spyware Crosses the Line

When Spyware Crosses the Line
Kelly Martin, 2004-06-23

"Spyware" isn't harmless software when it starts hijacking your browser, downloading updates, and displaying adult porn images to small children.

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Laga Mahesa

I'm in charge of a 50-machine network in an English Language school in Indonesia. For the past two years I've almost all but banned IE outright - I crippled it beyond belief and it has no access to any IE-specific scripting (filtered out via Proxomitron on the proxy server). What remains of IE is al...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Steve Poirot

I had the same thing happen to one of my kids. I worked on getting rid of the trash on and off for days, using Spybot and trying to do it manually. I finally gave up and used the system restore utility to go back to a checkpoint prior to the infestation.

That's the worst case. Another comput...

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another good tool 2004-06-24
Anonymous (1 replies)

This is a little off-topic, but may be useful for anyone out there with similar problems: HijackThis (http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/) is another tool similar to Ad-Aware & Co, but offers more output for the professional user....

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another good tool 2004-06-28
Anonymous

Please & Please, take a fine look of "hijack this", it's great tools, however, if you believe it, you're 100% non-professional. Read more about "hijack this" that can't solve
http://forums.spywareinfo.com/index.php?showtopic=7447&st=0
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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous (1 replies)

Well said. Some anti-virus companies are dealing with spyware, but its far from complete.

I'm sick of having tools as inocuous as netcat being deleted as a 'HackerTool' when AV software should be trapping the stuff that believes my homepage should be set to footfetish.com...

I dumped IE ages a...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Anonymous

Why settle with only dumping IE when the underlaying problem really is Windows. My suggestion is to buy a Macintosh running Mac OS X. On this box you get MS Internet Explorer but without the spyware problem often debated on Windows. Also, as a side effect you get a nice OS based on structured securi...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
raggi (1 replies)

I found your article very interesting, I have a couple of comments which may be useful to you and or others.

Firstly, with the removal of 0dayz exploit, while using safe mode alone used to be the solution. Now hoevever, due to the level of shell integration seen in some of these spyware programs,...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Mac Man

I like the idea of server based browsing. Its one that has worked quite well in my 500+ network environment. Inside the network, IE is locked down tighter then a catholic virgin on prom night. A W2003 TS box sits outside the network for RDP requests that is open for all and does nothing but act as "...

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Lude and lascivious act? 2004-06-24
Brad

If these people are forcably pushing this content to computers, could their aggresive actions open them to suit if they take no action to veryify that the person who will view the content is under the age of 13?

Most adult sites are required to at least ask if the user is of legal age. I wonder i...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Glauber Ribeiro (1 replies)

We have to start treating these "spyware" trojans with the same level of violence that we employ against worms, viruses and other trojans. Showing porn is bad, but what if i have one of these trojans quietly stealing ids and passwords, doing nothing to reveal its presence in my computer?

The fac...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous

I have on several occasions run Ad-Aware and SpyBot several times each on a machine only to find that the problem(s) remain.

Finally I found SpySweeper and found this free product to be ( at least for now ) infinitely more capable of cleaning up the trash foisted upon my system. www.webroot.com...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous (4 replies)

Before you started your rant against Internet Explorer you should have done some more research. My 17-year old son also found one of those sites that hijacked the browser and inserted all the porn site links, but this was the result of a virus, not your hated spyware. Symantec and McAfee both had ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous

Yes put the blame where it is due.
Firmly on Microsofts shoulders.Most of all my repair jobs now are removing spyware.If this was a viral infection Bill G would be offering a reward.IMHO spyware = virus....

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Anonymous

Your virus scan may have tossed out the program that was infecting your computer with bookmarks and such, but it is still spyware. Your understanding of virii and spyware in general is faulty. Spyware uses much of the same methodology as virii do, polymorphic code, genetic code etc.. don't stand up ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-26
Anonymous

why is IE worth while. If it were it would protect itself and the system from driveby installs. It doesn't.

In fact MS should be sued under product liability laws for a defective product.

MS is in the buisiness to make $$. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't take care of their customers....

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
blacklight

Considering the fact that my IE browser on my Win98 box was hijacked despite the fact that I had given pretty conservative settings, and despite the fact that I have both Adware and AVG ruunning on that box, I find your commentary a piece of smug ignorance.

I used tools like Hijack This! to try ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous (1 replies)

This is certainly a growing problem. I'm a Sys Admin and am continously trying to fend off spyware and adware that magically appears.

I would highly recommend using an alternative browser. At the moment I'm putting FoxFire through the fires and am happy with the results. The main point isn't nece...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
TechSupport (1 replies)

I am in tech support of a major computer retailer in US and you cant believe how many calls we receive in one day about the spyware problems and most of the people are not that much computer literate to differentiate between faulty computer and spyware magics. Spyware should be dealt like viruses in...

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Spyware, virus - doesn't make a difference 2004-06-27
Theuns

Spyware, virus - the distinction is not really that meaningful. In this instance, either classification would leave you with the same problem - software installed without the user's consent, resistant to removal, and updating itself as fast as the removal tools are updated.

This isn't a problem ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
same thing

wow,....Mr Martin, google search for urgent help, and up comes your article - we have the identical problem, right down to the kids doing something to bring the infection into our new home system across all 5 XP logins.

I've now looked at the tools your friend used. At least I can now see where...

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Someone should set a legal precedent 2004-06-24
Ivan

"WASHINGTON [June 17, 2004]-- Calling for penalties of up to $3 million, a House subcommittee unanimously approved anti-spyware legislation Thursday, which requires that consumers be given clear and conspicuous notice prior to downloading the Web traffic tracking software."

Full article is at htt...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-24
Anonymous (1 replies)

This is almost certainly the CoolWebSearch hijacker and depending on how fast it is mutating can be removed by CWshredder.... and yes, the programmer for this should be taken out and shot like a dog... or perhaps given to the guys with the knives.......

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-26
Otter

Guys with knives sounds good. I fix, on average, about 6 hijackings a week on the annoyances.org Windows XP forum......

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Spyware? This should be re-classified 2004-06-25
TheHornedReaper (1 replies)

One would define "Spyware" as a program that tracks you on the internet. The so called 'Spyware' of today is totally different. My 6 y/o cousin has been surfing the net before and bam! Hundreds upon hundreds of "Make your penis bigger in three weeks!" and "Free Hardcore Porn, Click Here!" popups. Ob...

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Spyware? This should be re-classified 2004-06-26
Otter

The primary problem comes with the fact that the more you lock something down, the less you can do. The best way to lock down your computer and never install any more software or connect to the internet again. But how practical is that?...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Anonymous

I don't mean to start a M$ vs Linux debate. But here's my side. I only run linux (5 box network). I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH SPYWARE! NONE! Granted, I'm a guru, but still... I ALSO HAVE NO ISSUE WITH VIRUSES. NONE. Yes, I know it's only time. But linux has the permissions barrier for a virus to bypass, al...

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Same thing happened to me 2004-06-25
Anonymous

I clicked a link in IE and then wasted hours and hours tracking down and deleting all the cruft off my machine. Porn, executables, links, popups and it kept coming back again and again until I finally got rid of all the files and all the real apps which had been overwritten by malicious cruft. pstoo...

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Use Proxies to prevent: When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Anonymous

Use proxies when surfing to "filter" any attacks to your PC. Easy and effective. Get proxies at www.proxyelite.org for free.

Later!...

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What about going after the TRUE source? 2004-06-25
nosebreaker.com

Q: Why spyware exist?
A: Because someone was convinced that by using it they could make money.

If we can make this answer not true then spyware should go away on its own, as there would be no point to creating it. We need to find a way to convince everybody that there is no money in spyware.
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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Mark S Panko

The move to another browser is only avoiding the problem sooner or later the RATs will find the holes.I work on a 5000 user network
and see this all the time and its getting worse
The real problem lies with our social engineered socity that Advertising companies can get away with collecting demo g...

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Two things worth noting 2004-06-25
Anders Bengtsson (1 replies)

First, in my experience, many sources of these spyware infections have been software that the user has willingly installed. Often for file sharing.

As long as users install anything and everything, this problem won't go away.

Second, does anyone have experience in how XP SP2 might help this s...

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Don't blame the victim -- spyware != file-trading 2004-06-27
Fra. 219

A great deal of spyware has NOTHING to do with file-trading programs or anything else the user installed. Google for "drive-by download" -- the use of security holes (some of them still unpatched) in IE, to force a download upon an unsuspecting user.

I've seen "office humor" Web pages -- the sort...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Anonymous

I work for a large cable company, and when our customers call up screaming that their "Internet is slow" or offline, it is my job to go to their house and get them back online and working properly again. In 999 out of the last 1000 customers homes I have been to (about a year's worth), I have seen m...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
sandalle

You could tell your friend to do the smart thing and use something besides a MS product. But if he just /has/ to have Windows, have him use Firefox, Opera, Mozilla, or anything other than IE. I can't believe people would use IE and/or Windows if they had a choice of something better, but hey, that's...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-25
Anonymous

I agree...A huge amount of spyware is not installed through activeX but by users themselves installing every shareware product they find. I do 3rd level support, so I get everything that 2 layers of helpdesks can't fix and I still spend at least 3 hours a day on spyware. It has come to a point where...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-26
BGiven

Thanks for the article. The more who know about this ugly side of business the better. We deal with this problem regularly in our computer business. We have found where they are currently hiding these things but soon that too will change. Sadly, money is still the motivation in this very ugly indust...

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Why even run IE ? 2004-06-26
thomassoares AT hotmail DOT com

There are a lot of other browsers, free and proprietary... bane the IE use is the minumin, the really good choice is a Free/Open Operate System....

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I always wondered how it is legal. 2004-06-26
Call the cops.

They at times decide to use your private property for thier own gain. This statement allows that they used nefarious methods of installing rather than allowing you to foolishly click "OK" and "always trust company X"
In this case how is it different than installing cammeras in your house to gather ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-26
A French User

Two options offered by the original author :

1) The legal side

Even tho' we may expect that the U.S.A and European community adapt their laws, there'll still be many other ways for such a nice and easy business.
The Internet is a world wide open market, and killing such a nasty business in ou...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-26
England1215

i have not had any "spyware" on my computer, i have seen it on all of my friends computers and are continualy getting asked to fix the problem! the quickest fix i have found is to back up every thing and reinstall, highly effective but annoying! after reinstalling getting a router with a NAT firewal...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-27
Devin McGrane

I have to agree with what he said, I visit one of my favorite flash sites in the world, nothing odd happens but when I get back on the next day I get my IE browser Hijacked to a cell phone company, then 13 other pop ups come along with it. Though my favorite flash site was not the actual people who...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-27
Cleber S. Leite

the solution for spyware cwssearch this in http://www.ida.com.br, this site this in Portuguese...

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Spyware reviews! [** FREE mcafee Anti-spy thru 7/04] 2004-06-27
Anonymous

I have been battling spyware [Mal-ware of all sorts] for over 1 1/2 years now.
I started with the free and demo versions of software, like spybot.

It can be hard to find out what WORKING products are actually available out there.

Today, if you do a search for Anti-spyware reviews, you will fi...

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um....wouldn't that just be a virus!? 2004-06-27
Anonymous

surely exploiting windows, installing itself without prior notice and forcing ads on you would be more a virus than spyware? and these people deserve to go to jail just as much as a virus coder...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-27
Flash

Hes right, I have had it too, you need like 2 decent firewalls and a good anti virus, your still not 100% safe after that even.

I say get Mozilla instead of IE. It blocks alot....

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Who Profits 2004-06-27
Chris Woodruffe

Spyware, Adware, Malware, call it whatever you like, only exists because somebody is making money from its use.
If bone fide companies are paying hackers for the information (ilegally) gained by the use of these programmes then it seems to me that these companies should be the target for our anger....

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Anonymous

you stated that microsoft would 'eventually' patch these flaws in IE.

DCOM i believe, is never had a patch released and microsloth says that it is impossible to patch it.

(i believe its dcom, dont hold me to it tho). ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
TErryG

I too have seen my machine taken over in the manner described in the article above. In my case it was my 10 year old daughter searching for "optical illusions" using google. This returned a page which had nothing to do with optical illusions but managed to pretty much cripple my machine. This seriou...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Anon-e-mouse

Bit of a shame that you can't legally hack into the sites being advertised/homepaged/linked via these spyware traps, wipe all their data then leave a home page stating "Shouldn't have used spyware, this'll teach ya!'

:-)...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Martin, Sweden

Q: Why does spyware exist?
Because information has a value.

Q: How do I avoid spyware?
After reading this discussion I have seen some argue that changing browser would help. Well, it might, at least initially. But why not change operating system. Some claimed linux to be a good choice for home ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
kerberos_daemon

I think alot of people are missing the other BIG POINT ... Internet Explorer .....

just one more reason to switch to mozzila-firebird. I switched over a year ago amd other than a few sites here and there never use IE for just this reason. Firebird/Firefox has evolved now tot he point that I even ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Anonymous

well these spyware are verry dangerous not that only change your IE content it also changes you the backgroud of your cpu adding html content, what can you do... they have multiple programs runing when you are infected and you can do nothing against them eventualy, momentanely, you don't even see th...

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It's parents fault !!!!!!!!!! 2004-06-28
Anonymous (3 replies)

I'm a computer user (lots of hours a day on internet).
I just want to say that I have never been contaminated with
spywares when I go on normal web sites.
When you are contaminated by spyware, that means that I go
1) porn website
2) hack/crack website
3) warez website
I never...

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It's parents fault !!!!!!!!!! - Not! 2004-06-29
An InfoSec Engineer (1 replies)

I'm an information security engineer, and recently had to remove spyware from both my wife's PC and from my in-laws' PC. I can assure you that neither my wife nor my in-laws are surfing to porn, warez, or hacker sites (I checked the logs to be sure). Also, these systems were fully patched, with up...

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It's parents fault !!!!!!!!!! - Not! 2004-07-01
Anonymous

I agree with this assessment. Having been in the IT industry for 18 years (6 of that in security), I've found that the best - and sometimes ONLY - way to remove the newer spyware threats is to burn the machine and rebuild it from scratch. Our corporate policy is to do just that - when machines are i...

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Parents fault 2004-06-30
Aenox

If you haven't noticed, legitimate sites are being compromised for the installation of malware. Also, adverts that support many sites attempt to install spyware.

Although I agree it is "totally [stupid]" to allow someone of that age to browse alone, I don't agree that you have to visit a maliciou...

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It's parents fault !!!!!!!!!! 2004-06-30
Anonymous

agree :)...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
Anonymous

As far as i know these programs are trying to write to directories like system32, winnt, program files, and some registry hives.
At our site the most important step was to revoke all administrative rights from the users.
Is it enough?...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-28
estrinyefim@yahoo.com

I would like to send you some links to publications about my
criminal case.
Would you like to review materials and give your opinion what possible
to do now. I have consequences hard to live now.
My case are getting public attention now as an example of miscarriage
of justice. I could not de...

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Don't use internet Explorer! 2004-06-29
Anonymous

Just don't use it unless you have to. Use alternatvies such as firefox, mozilla, or opera. The other browsers have built in pop-up blockers, tabbed browsing and otehr cool features. I have used Firefox for a few months and I have had NO spyware or adware from it, and after a week of using IE, I coul...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-29
Human

I was reading some of the articles on the main web site, and one of them was saying that we should dump IE, I don't agree.

What we really need is very tough internet laws, not these junky laws now where these people only face 5 years in jail at the most.

We need real laws that puts these cy...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-29
VTofHHH

Tools to successfuly kill browser hijacking:
12 Ghosts popup killer
adaware
spybot search&destroy
perhaps webroot spy sweeper

If those aren't doing their job, try updating their definitions.

Also, a good firewall with well defined rules could detech malicious thingies.

Look at "start-pr...

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Just because B. Gates gives you IE doesent mean you have to use it! 2004-06-29
Use Netscape Duh! (1 replies)

Use your heads...just because Bill Gates gives you IE doesent mean you have to use it. ...

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Just because B. Gates gives you IE doesent mean you have to use it! 2004-06-30
grizzlyAIN'T@cascocastle.com

Nobody should have to, and I use Godfather Gates' browser for only one purpose/one website: it's the most convenient browser for getting the ubiquitous Micro$oft patches. For anything and everything else, Firefox walks all over IE....

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Switch if you hate it. They'll switch too. 2004-06-29
Anonymous (1 replies)

IMO, if everybody stops using IE, the crackers would jump on opera and firefox and screw with those apps. You talk about firefox and opera as if they were proven web browser with the most security. Don't fool yourself. IE has been around for ages, its software is mature. Nothing is full proof. ...

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They'll switch too, but at least you won't end up owned... 2004-07-01
Penguinisto

Perhaps they'll all go to Moz and Opera to exploit vulns, but at least Firefox, Mozilla, et al aren't so deeply embedded in the machine w/ machine-wide executable capabilities (DirectX, anyone?) that exploiting them would be more than a nuisance.

Sure, you may have a few bookmarks changed, or yo...

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Never gotten spyware 2004-06-29
Jason S. (1 replies)

I'm not sure why the the author believes spyware is so ubiquitous among IE users... I use IE at both work and home and have since 1996... and have never once had a case of spyware on any system that I used. I run a firewall (Zonealarm) on both systems, that's it. I used to patch when I felt like it,...

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Never gotten spyware 2004-07-01
Erya

download spysweeper and then we will talk about the fact that youve never had spyware.

You making me laugh a lot...
You are probably from another planet as the author said in this issue.

Here is a second advice , that is totally personal but if you use zonealarm it really shows that you reall...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-29
0_o

i normally don't post here but i often read everyones posts...
I do support for a loarge corp. I also do support on the side at home for people.
I could care what OS a person uses and don't want to enter the sad debate some people have or hate they have for X company or OS >
But I have fou...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
Richard Chirgwin

Well, it is possible to win the spyware war AND use IE - but it's seriously difficult.

My approach is to take a paranoid approach to IE security settings; and to do the same with the personal firewall.

In particular, the spyware industry's habit of using port 443 (ie, SSL) is particularly repe...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
Anonymous

IE should be deemed illegal to use ;)

That application is singlehandedly killing the Internet....

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
Anonymous

I work at a rather big (by Finnish measure) company. Our "security manager" has decided that Internet Explorer is the most stable and secure browser, and we must use it.

Fortunately, most other people here are smart enough not to take this "security rule" too seriously, amd use Firebird/Opera (ex...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
Anonymous

People, quit your MS bashing and take a look at what's really happening. MS code isn't any better or any worse than anyone else's. The reason so many problems are found is that it's used by 80% of the computer users. So if a developer/hacker wants to reach a large group of users, then they're going ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-06-30
Anonymous

I agree entirely.
As far as I am concerned spyware is what we would refer to as "breaking and entering" in the U.K. If I want to add sofware to my computer I should get the option to say yes or no. If not then someone is breaking into my computer....

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Spyware was never on the other side of the "Line" 2004-07-01
Levi Aho

The title of this article is a misnomer. It impliess that Spyware was once on the other side of the line. Trojan, Virus, or Worm type programs are defined as computer trespassing by the laws on the books. If you select to install some software that purports to be a game or app, but includes spyware,...

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No sympathy 2004-07-01
Anonymous

I have given up on being sympathetic toward people who run IE and then get spyware and other nasties loaded onto their work and personal PCs. I have talked to several people complaining about their PC having problems due to spyware and they stated that they knew that IE was allowing the spyware in ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-07-01
Erya

I am totally sick about the spywares these days , i am also calling them "spymalware" right now.
they are totally different than before .
people are rotting internet industry and pleasure , where are we going ? The same thing probably happened to my 12 years old sister , she may have told nothing...

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Spyware in the Consumer and Corporate Desktop: A Security Engineer's Reply 2004-07-02
Mary B. Winfield, Platinum Precision Software Inc.

Spyware is nothing short of electronic burglery in today's technology environment and it affects consumer and corporate PC desktops.

The industry standard definition for Spyware is "Software which utilizes a user's PC internet connection to install software on that PC without its owner's consent...

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No need to remove spyware. 2004-07-05
Anonymous

This suggestion is primarily for office environment's but I recommend it for home users when possible.
http://www.deepfreezeusa.com offers a product called Deep Freeze which allows you to do whatever you wish to your system, reboot, and all is instantly restored to the point where you froze the sys...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-07-05
Anonymous

great article kelly. i have two daughters and i don't really want them exposed to porn when they are looking for barbie doll coloring sheets online. i agree with the dumping of IE... a friend showed me mozilla firefox and i have so few problems now. ...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2004-07-06
Lambert, Ryan

Great article.

In light of recent events, I've started testing Mozilla Firefox for our Terminal Server/Citrix environment, and so far so good. I am still finding quirks here and there in certain pages where I absolutely have to use IE to get it to work... however, these are few and far between. F...

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When Spyware Crosses the Line 2005-08-02
Anonymous

I run my own small IT suppoort company in the UK, and we deal with issues just like this on a daily basis, the vast majority of both my and my staffs time is used up by cleaning infected machines.
I have even seen this on a PC used by an 87 y.o. woman - fer chrisakes - this is no longer fun.
I'm s...

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