Jason Miller, 2004-07-01
The curse of complexity is the bane of every security administrator, so UNIX users take your pick: would you like BSD or Linux?
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Dont forget about Macs!!
2004-07-02
Anonymous (2 replies)
Anonymous (2 replies)
Dont forget about Macs!!...right
2004-07-05
bassdemon
bassdemon
yeah i wouldn't bet on that secure aspect. check slashdot. there's a link to a recent analysis of OS security and mac isn't faring as well as you would think. and as for the fbi using macs. sure. they have to use every OS so they can have an easy way of forensic analysis. if it's used by someone the...
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Dont forget about Macs!!
2004-07-06
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
>I just think that the Mac should have rated >a quick mention in Jason Millers article.
I guess they have since they are built on FreeBSD ;)
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I guess they have since they are built on FreeBSD ;)
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-02
Anonymous
Anonymous
I disagree with you. You cannot compare complexity of IE (and major security issues derived from that) with complexity of some tools like yast or drakconf; their scope is a limited one and it could be considered simple as the rest of *nix tools, being build after *nix philosophy (the only job: editi...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-02
Anonymous
Anonymous
All I do on my computer is code, surf the web, and make beats.
Complexity or not, it just seems to me that there is way more effort being put into the areas that I want/need in Linux than is put into the same areas in the BSDs. Like, AFAIK, the BSDs don't support my winmodem, or have advanced au...
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Complexity or not, it just seems to me that there is way more effort being put into the areas that I want/need in Linux than is put into the same areas in the BSDs. Like, AFAIK, the BSDs don't support my winmodem, or have advanced au...
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Lynx, give me a break.
2004-07-02
Anonymous (2 replies)
Anonymous (2 replies)
Why don't you compare Apples to Apples. Wouldn't Mozilla be a better comparison....
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Lynx, give me a break.
2004-07-03
Anonymous
Anonymous
You missed Jason's point he was not looking for an Apples to Apples comparison. Lynx is simple, just does ths job therefore few things can go wrong. Accepted that Mozilla and many other deivatives of browsers are far more likely to have things go wrong, the complexity issue ...
My preference is t...
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My preference is t...
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Lynx, give me a break.
2004-07-03
COMprehensive
COMprehensive
I don't mean to be a punk but I do believe you are missing the point. To compare mozilla vs explorer would be the equivalent of comparing "apples to apples." If you follow the logic of the authors premise for the article you will see that he is trying to point out the inherent problems of complex sy...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-03
Scott Gever (1 replies)
Scott Gever (1 replies)
You said,
"What more could you ask for? Personally, I can't think of much else. However, I'm far from the majority. When compared with Linux-based operating systems, those systems based on BSD are easily the far less popular of the two."
I don't think you've acclimated to Mac OS X being a BSD...
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"What more could you ask for? Personally, I can't think of much else. However, I'm far from the majority. When compared with Linux-based operating systems, those systems based on BSD are easily the far less popular of the two."
I don't think you've acclimated to Mac OS X being a BSD...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-07
Anonymous
Anonymous
> I don't think you've acclimated to Mac OS X being a BSD Unix system and it being the most widely shipped *nix in the world.
Well, apple reckon they've shipped about 10 million OS-X (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/06macosx.html ), and the linux counter thing estimates about 18million l...
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Well, apple reckon they've shipped about 10 million OS-X (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2004/jan/06macosx.html ), and the linux counter thing estimates about 18million l...
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As I see it...
2004-07-03
Griggs
Griggs
...complexity is only part of the problem and IMHO the main problem is because the Windows API was originally developed with functionality/ease of use as the main priority and security a meager afterthought. So later, Microsoft realizes the importance of developing secure code and builds layer upon...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-04
Anonymous
Anonymous
Complexity may not be such a curse if security pervades the way a piece of software has been written. It's not only the complexity of MS's OS line that makes them insecure. The foundations of the Windows line were written without security in mind. Security was something that was bolted on later. ...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-07
Aaron Sherman <ajs@ajs.com> (1 replies)
Aaron Sherman <ajs@ajs.com> (1 replies)
This was a terrible article.
If you want to flame about BSD and Linux, you can always post on Slashdot, but if you're going to write an article for Security Focus, I would have hoped that you would include a few facts.
The article swings between extreme arguments for and against homogeneity, c...
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If you want to flame about BSD and Linux, you can always post on Slashdot, but if you're going to write an article for Security Focus, I would have hoped that you would include a few facts.
The article swings between extreme arguments for and against homogeneity, c...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-09
Jason V. Miller (Author)
Jason V. Miller (Author)
> This was a terrible article.
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> If you want to flame about BSD and Linux, you can always post on Slashdot, but
> if you're going to write an article for SecurityFocus, I would have hoped that
> you would include a few facts.
The article was never intended to ?flame? Linux, only point out ...
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> If you want to flame about BSD and Linux, you can always post on Slashdot, but
> if you're going to write an article for SecurityFocus, I would have hoped that
> you would include a few facts.
The article was never intended to ?flame? Linux, only point out ...
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Depends on the application
2004-07-08
BSDbiggot
BSDbiggot
BSD makes a great server O/S for all the reasons you mention ... but on the desktop, it lacks in many areas (like all those 'features' you discussed).
For example, getting DRI to work when using the Gateway they made me buy here at the office (Intel 845 chipset) .. No driver available for it, thu...
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For example, getting DRI to work when using the Gateway they made me buy here at the office (Intel 845 chipset) .. No driver available for it, thu...
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We don't need a complex world
2004-07-12
Anonymous
Anonymous
I like that article, let me to continue ...
Who the hell needs (complex) houses when you can dig a hole into the ground. Remember Diogenes?
Who the hell needs (complex) cars, when you can run?
Who the hell needs (complex) OS'es when you can use simple calculator to add and substract.
Who...
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Who the hell needs (complex) houses when you can dig a hole into the ground. Remember Diogenes?
Who the hell needs (complex) cars, when you can run?
Who the hell needs (complex) OS'es when you can use simple calculator to add and substract.
Who...
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Everything is complex anyway
2004-07-12
Neeme Reinmets
Neeme Reinmets
Excuse me, that article was a shame.
If one knows well how to use one tool he can't blame others for preferring other tools. The complexity isn't the case here, it looks moore like personal preferences and the trust.
The graphical interface makes configuration and management more efficient by ...
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If one knows well how to use one tool he can't blame others for preferring other tools. The complexity isn't the case here, it looks moore like personal preferences and the trust.
The graphical interface makes configuration and management more efficient by ...
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The Allure and Curse of Complexity
2004-07-13
Anonymous
Anonymous
Barring the content of the article... ...the case for complexity vs security is an obvious one.
Looking at complexity as a numbers problem, it's obvious that adding more components to a system is a high growth function.
For example : a system with n interacting subsystems can have n(n+1)/2 i...
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Looking at complexity as a numbers problem, it's obvious that adding more components to a system is a high growth function.
For example : a system with n interacting subsystems can have n(n+1)/2 i...
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I can do everything I need and more. I can control Windows Servers via remote desktop AND scan for vulnerabilities using Nessus. Drivers are not an issue.
Even the FBI uses them.
There are plusses and minusses for Macs; I use many, but also use Linux and Window...
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