Jon Lasser, 2001-11-07
Opponents of vulnerability disclosure may have a surprise ally in Linux's second-in-command
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If the Emporer IS wearing no cloths... (Freedom of Press vs DMCA)!
2001-11-07
FreePressAdvocate
FreePressAdvocate
Q: Do you think that the US Supreme Court (or any sensible US court) would rule in favor of resticting the US Constitution's "Freedom of the Press" rights, in favor of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act? Does the power of the DMCA superceed the Constitution?
Yes - It has been often told that t...
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Keep Security Censorship Away From Linux
2001-11-07
igaware@lineone.net
igaware@lineone.net
It seems a bit of a pointless article. Anybody can look at any of the patch diff files and see exacly what has been changed. Changelogs are just an added summary and are highly unreliable. Remember Linux has source code and diff's. So exacly what is your point? Censorship - ehh, ugh?
Try again mat...
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Try again mat...
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Keep Security Censorship Away From Linux
2001-11-08
Anonymous
Anonymous
It seems obvious that if company want to use the DMCA to their advantage that it the feds will certainly back them in one way or another. I wonder how security censorship will impact our future. I can easily imagine an era where we run products that the have hidden "features" that allow the blackh...
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DMCA No, Patriot Act Maybe
2001-11-10
trowe
trowe
While I haven't seen anything in the DMCA that would lead me to believe Alan Cox would be liable, I wonder about the Patriot Act which, at last reading anyway, made liable people who reveal information about cracking a system. Would he be liable for prosecution in the US for revealing holes in his o...
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Is The Cure Worse Than The Disease?
2001-11-11
Anonymous
Anonymous
Fact 1: The constitutionality of DMCA will not be decided by technical people. It will be decided by non-technical judges who will associate root exploit with root canal.
Fact 2: Alan's trying to point out the absuridity of the law is also giving amunition to the Microsoft side.
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Fact 2: Alan's trying to point out the absuridity of the law is also giving amunition to the Microsoft side.
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Stupid americans and their stupid laws
2001-11-11
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
America have laws that defy their own definition of freedom. Yet those same laws don't seem to apply to people or companies that have a lot of money....
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Stupid americans and their stupid laws
2002-02-26
Anonymous
Anonymous
No kidding! That is why it is the duty of all Americans to ignore or purposefully disobey them. It's practically a national sport (prohibition, etc.) Remember, just because it is against the law does not mean that it is morally wrong, just as not everything legal is morally right. Part of our nation...
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You can still download it elsewhere
2001-11-11
CentrX
CentrX
If you do not live in the United States, you can download the changelog from http://www.thefreeworld.net/non-US/ Interestingly, as this site is protected by the DMCA, if you do live in the United States but truly believe that the DMCA is not going to be enforced, you can circumvent the access protec...
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Good Job Alan. Sucked in USA!
2001-11-11
Anonymous
Anonymous
I fully support Alan on this one. If the US thinks is can send a few coyboys outside their borders, kidnap however they want, hold them indefinitely without trial for being a 'suspected' terrorist, (or in this case hold them for an incredible length of time for being an intelligent programmer), then...
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In the long term this will have negative effects...
2001-11-11
kapone
kapone
While many people are slamming Cox's actions and opinions (as well as many others taking a similar stance), lots of people are missing (what I believe to be) one of the main reasons for full disclosure, education.
I myself agree with software authors and vendors being given a 'grace' period befor...
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I myself agree with software authors and vendors being given a 'grace' period befor...
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So what?
2001-11-12
Anonymous
Anonymous
I really don't understand why people think this is such a big deal. If the USA want to have the DMCA then that's up to them.
Linux will still continue and the rest of the world will still have all the information about security as per normal.
Basically it comes down to:
America: We don't want t...
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Linux will still continue and the rest of the world will still have all the information about security as per normal.
Basically it comes down to:
America: We don't want t...
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Keep Security Censorship Away From Linux
2001-11-12
MdW(Pur1ty)
MdW(Pur1ty)
It is obvious to say that open disdussion about weaknesses in the kernel should not be withheld from the general public, and most of all not to people in the security bussines.
Further more:
This implies that we should not chose the Microsoft way of supplying information about the produc...
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Further more:
This implies that we should not chose the Microsoft way of supplying information about the produc...
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Utter BS
2001-11-13
gnaw
gnaw
Sorry guys, but this just friggin, utter BS.
I can only say this:
With Cox' self-censoring move, he gave way to the DMCA and other idiocy-plagued conglomerates of sick minds, who only want to play a part in the vast world of the 'net by sueing the hell out of other ppl and companies.
What d...
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I can only say this:
With Cox' self-censoring move, he gave way to the DMCA and other idiocy-plagued conglomerates of sick minds, who only want to play a part in the vast world of the 'net by sueing the hell out of other ppl and companies.
What d...
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This is Dangerous and not Glasnost and Perestroika !
2001-11-16
togo
togo
What it potentially does is - by 'silencing' the constant 'litte' probing of the border for a potential to build up (without having been approached by a full width of open source developers) that could break the Machines in a much bigger way. Besides Possibly dishonest forces could without full doc...
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Keep Security Censorship Away From Linux
2001-11-17
Anonymous
Anonymous
If Alan chooses to release less information regarding the security holes and patches made to the Kernel it really is no huge deal. Is the kernel itself is opensource? No?
Hence it could be evaluated against the previous version of the Kernel, thus displaying any and all code changes made. These...
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Hence it could be evaluated against the previous version of the Kernel, thus displaying any and all code changes made. These...
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Keep Security Censorship Away From Linux
2001-11-20
Anonymous
Anonymous
It would work nicely in other industries as well.
Imagine boeing and some engineers working on fixing an engine flaw for 6 months without notifying airlines that owns that model of the planes.
Like previously mentioned, the exploit code isn't the problem, it is just as much users not patching.
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Imagine boeing and some engineers working on fixing an engine flaw for 6 months without notifying airlines that owns that model of the planes.
Like previously mentioned, the exploit code isn't the problem, it is just as much users not patching.
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It is just the beginning....
2001-11-22
Francisco Figueiredo (1 replies)
Francisco Figueiredo (1 replies)
DMCA, Echelon, Carnivore, Patriot Act....Yes, Big Brother is coming!!No, it isn't some lunatic dictator, it has many names: Microsoft, Warner, ATT, GE, etc...They need no more to use the CIA to support some Pinochet guy...Now they have LAWYERS (God, keep them away from me!!!). And now they don't wan...
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It is just the beginning....
2001-11-23
Anonymous
Anonymous
The USA is looking like a dangerous place to me, because I'm not a blonde headed blue eyed football star turned fbi.
If you post any discussion that violates the dmca or that could aid a 'cyberterrorist', even in a non-USA forum, but it travels through a USA network, you could be held liable??? ...
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If you post any discussion that violates the dmca or that could aid a 'cyberterrorist', even in a non-USA forum, but it travels through a USA network, you could be held liable??? ...
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