Retain or restrain access logs?

Retain or restrain access logs?
Mark Rasch, 2006-06-12

A recent proposal by the U.S. Department of Justice that would mandate Internet Service Providers to retain certain records represents a dangerous trend of turning private companies into proxies for law enforcement or intelligence agencies against the interests of their clients or customers.

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-06-12
Bob Radvanovsky

I, personally, think that the federal government is biting off ALOT more than it can chew. This isn't so much from the standpoint of *who* will perform this task (probably have a third-party agency performing the task), but is a matter of *how*.

One question that comes up is the accuracy of the ...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-06-12
Bob Radvanovsky

One more thing...

The federal government, and its entities claims that this is being done to fight the war on terrorism, crime, etc. Right? However, how many episodes of corrupt federal agents -- TOP-LEVEL AGENTS -- have been arrested for child pornography, sexually explicit materials, or perfo...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-06-13
Anonymous

I agree with your thoughts on this. There needs to be a balance, and law enforcement has abilities to force data retention without needing a log of every packet that has moved for 2 years. I think terabytes is an understatement there, were talking petabytes of information to be available to anyone w...

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Good article but even he is missing the real issue 2006-06-14
Patriot (3 replies)

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the...

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Re: Good article but even he is missing the real issue 2006-06-15
mtnbkr

You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. Very clearly and concisely.

My only question is; "Why is it that NO ONE ELSE seems to understand this?"

Well put Mr/Ms Patriot. Thank you. ...

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Re: Good article but even he is missing the real issue 2006-06-20
Mark D. Rasch

The Courts get around the 4th Amendment issue through the argument that the documents held by the ISP are not YOUR records, but rather records of the ISP. Therefore, according to the doctrine espoused in Katz v. United States (where the Court said that the 4th Amendment protects persons not places)...

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Re: Good article but even he is missing the real issue 2006-07-22
Anonymous

I am in my 60's and never have I seen such an accelerated attack on civil liberties (privacy) as I have seen in the last 10 years. I am so tired of worn out cliche's "in the interest of national security." or "in order to fight crime." I cringe when I hear people say, "I have nothing to hide, let t...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-06-29
Jimmy Weg (1 replies)

Mark, as I understand it, the legislation, which we in LE support, will require ISPs to retain IP logs. As you know, such logs can identify the account that was logged on to the server at a point in time. Legal process will be required for such logs, as you pointed out.

What's the difference be...

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Re: Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-07-08
Anonymous

Yes, and history has shown that the government never breaks the rules and bypasses the legal processes to illegally surveil people or groups without warrants or cause...

Please...

The government, law enforcement and the various intelligence services have been caught several times sneaking ...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-06-30
Jimmy W

AFAIK, the legislation would require ISPs to keep IP logs that allow LE, with proper service, to obtain the logs and learn which customer was signed on at a moment in time. There is nothing that will reveal one's Internet travels.

The article seems to take a "sky is falling" approach to an ent...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-07-17
Anonymous

If they are going to require companies to retain these records then they also need to require that the companies due diligence and protect via encryption any records retained. Moreover the companies should be held to the same high standard of maintaining a clear chain of custody for records that are...

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Retain or restrain access logs? 2006-07-19
Carl Shannon

You start from an inappropriate position. i.e. you are not a proxy for law enforcement.

All citizens are proxies for law enforcement. We are to help not hinder.

Businesses are proxies for law enforcement. You are to help, not hinder.

All government agencies both relating directly or not re...

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