'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way

'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way
Shane Coursen, 2001-12-03

Anti-virus products could detect the FBI's new spyware. But should they?

'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-11
Anonymous

It appears that the FBI and other AGENCIES are going into the business of WRITING WORMS, TROJANS, and VIRII under the alleged guise of NATIONAL SECURITY.

IF the FBI and other agencies think that hackers, crackers, and thieves are TOO STUPID to write their own software to monitor for activities NO...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-11
Anonymous (1 replies)

Let's all just hope that if it does get immunity from AV vendors that the FBI doesn't use it on some Black hat. This would just lead to disection, a reprogram and possibly the fastest spreading trojan of all time.
I don't think there is a software package I haven't seen for free download on the ne...

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Re: 'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2005-12-23
Anonymous

The FBI Are the Bad Guys ! ...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-12
Thorsten

Or a even worse scenario:
What would happen, if a hacker is capable to camouflage his worms/trojans/.. as Magic Lantern.

Who would be responsible for the damage this attacks would cause?

These discussions are on of the reasons why EMEA goverments are using Linux more and more. At least here...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-13
Anonymous

I only have one question. If Magic Lantern is the same as a Trojan Horse, then What is the difference in what the FBI is doing and a hacker or terrorist????????????? If that be the case, then they need to go to jail with the rest of the bad guys....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-13
A Corporate Security Guy (2 replies)

I need the link to where Symantec has said it would give the FBI a free ride. If it is true, then I will get Norton -- ALL of Norton's software -- out of my company and off my machines very quickly.

This is where American corporations have to stand up and hurt them where it counts. ...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-21
Anonymous

not the link you were looking for, but try http://customer.symantec.com/privacy.html
we live in interesting times...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-24
fight the FBI

go to msnbc.com and search for "magic latern". it is true that Norton (symatec) had stated that it will not detect the trojan. i had stopped using norton since then. if in doubt, buy european AV and force us corp to detect ML, run a firewall....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-13
Anonymous (5 replies)

Our government is honest....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-14
Anonymous (1 replies)

Which government is that? The Nixon Administration? The Clinton Administraton? ...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
Anonymous

Nixon Antivirus 2002?
:-)...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-14
Anonymous

If I didn't think that the statement was meant 'tongue-in-cheek,' my first response would have been "Thank you for your perspective, Mr. Ashcroft."...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-17
Anonymous

I´m not so sure abot this, remember watergate, Iran Contras, Bill Clinton and Monica and others that we will never know and now this, they must stop to take the better way for antiterrosim....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-17
Anonymous

*QUOTE*******************************
'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way
by Anonymous
Dec 13 2001 8:11PM

Our government is honest.
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Dont know what to do, laugh at you or pity you....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2002-01-19
Anonymous

Sorry, little boy, NO Government is "honest" in the way you mean...All Governments (not just the US) have and will justify ANY behavior to further their own aims/survival, and will always do so...anyone who thinks otherwise is self-deluded. (I have a LOVELY bridge I can sell you, cheap, in Sydney, A...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-14
Scientist (2 replies)

Symantec is no longer to be trusted. Software is a technology, not politics. I will never buy a program that puts government interests above the interests of the customer....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
Anonymous

You got that one right

i also have removed the product from my computer

what we have now is the "super gestapo"

remember what happened to Einstine...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
Anonymous

I agree, Symantec is a goner!...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-14
Anonymous

I guess it goes back to the old aying, "the road to Hell is paved, etc"...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-15
Another Anonymous (2 replies)

I have no doubt that it will be used with the best of intentions (can we really be that cynical to think that any government really wants an Orwellian-regime?), but that doesn't make it any less of an accident waiting to happen.

Even if, say, the worm uses T-DES or better encryption to hide both ...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-17
phryx

Ok this may be a good thing if the ones doing it were completely good and that belived 100% in peoples integrity.

But who will monitor those that monitor the so called "terrorists"?

If used right this would be a good program but i dont belive in the goodness of man, the less in the goodness of...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2002-01-19
Anonymous

With regard to reverse engineering carnivore or ML; my father, who was an old-school engineer, and (IMO) a Very Wise Man once said to me: "Always remember, what one fool has done, another can do". I'd give at most thirty days before it's hacked by a Black Hat......

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
MarcoM

FBI and CIA have a long history on unethical behaviour. There is no guarantee that info collected by them is used only to fight terrorists.
Also National security for US means national insecurity of other Govs, I'm not sure they will accept that.
I remember that in the Soviet Union they used to in...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
Anonymous

my guess is norton is already doing it. The long wait for bogus subscription update? If my 90 day refund period wasn"t up i'd use it. why is their homepage unavailble for
3 days now?...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-18
Anonymous (2 replies)

Item 1: Magic Lantern is not the same as Carnivore. Magic Lantern does not monitor any network communications; it is a keystroke logger.

Item 2: Magic Lantern does not spread like a virus or worm.

Item 3: Magic Lantern currently requires a warrant and physical access to the computer for ins...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-20
Anonymous

Ok you had me for th first half of the artical and then you just lost me...... What the hell did that have to do with Magic lantern?????? Anyways besides that yes I agree that Europe, expecialy the UK are very ignorant about there won goverment. There is Ecolon and they have cameras setup in plac...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2002-01-19
Kiwi in Bahrain

Wow! (Reverent pause for an obviously well-informed posting)

Apart from the slight xenophobia shown by this gentleman, I totally agree with his posting. Even to his cruel-but-fair comment on moronic football hooliganism in Yurp.

(But of course, REAL men play Rugby, without the NFL plate-armo...

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'Magic Lantern' is bad news 2001-12-19
Anonymous (2 replies)

isnt that like invasion of privacy?
like against the law or something?
im not sure
but i know that not all anti-virus companies will
cooperate with the FBI
just because systematic was stupid enough to!
well they just lost one customer!
and they will lose many more if they dont change theyre m...

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Black ~ Magic 2001-12-20
Anonymous

Symantec lost my support! Now give me a list of AV products that are not going to jump on the FBI bandwagon....

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'Magic Lantern' is bad news 2001-12-20
Purz

Hmm id like to see the link where they said that.

Fortunatly most of us internet savy users have multiple antiviri programs, as well as multiple firewalls due to nmap expoits.

Any company helping ANYONE to slip trojan like programs through their systems scott free should get a swift kick in ...

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'Magic Lantern'? where can I get a copy? 2001-12-20
Anonymous (1 replies)

I am looking to create a "Viral Wall" all I need to do is collect enough viruses to make it. I estimate I need about 47,000 viruses. Like a firewall, it would "protect" your computer from unwanted outside intrusion. Instead of blocking the port or attack it would counter by sending the appropriate v...

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'Magic Lantern'? where can I get a copy? 2001-12-22
Anonymous

I like the idea, just don?t stop with half measures, if you know what I mean....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-20
Anonymous (1 replies)

I dont know much about viruses but I do know that Magic Lantern is an insidious government front to be even more pervasive and prying than they already are....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-21
Anonymous

Read this!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011210/tc/attack_tech_dc_1
.html...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-21
Anonymous

Read this!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011210/tc/attack_tech_dc_1
.html...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-21
Duane Maurer II (1 replies)

Here is the key to the problem. They develop the software, no one can detect it (legally that is), a bad guy gets it... duh... also, i am sure there will be *special* virus definition lists and such that do have it included, and the bad guys will trade that around... what a riduculous idea... do the...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-22
Anonymous

Most people who think they have to worry about this kind of thing will take measures to protect themselves, however most people don?t think (!) it will affect them until it is too late and some lame bozo has them by the short-n-curlies.

If your not paranoid your not paying attention!
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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-21
spectrum48

F*** NO!...

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'Magic Lantern' - Some are missing the point 2001-12-21
Newbie Guy (1 replies)

Firstly, anyone who believes the internet or email is a secure medium needs to wake up.

Magic lantern is not the best n badest thing to come along. It is the governments way of filling in the gaps in the information it already has.

They can already monitor every packet you send/receive. the ...

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'Magic Lantern' - Some are missing the point 2001-12-21
Anonymous

Not to minimize the insidious nature of Magic Lantern, but it would appear to me the smart criminal or terrorist would use another secure computer to encrypt the message and send it via a second computer as an attachment. Am I naive?...

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'Magic Lantern' A New Way of Life 2001-12-21
Big Brother

You knew it was coming. Resistance is futile. You will be assimulated....

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2001-12-22
Anonymous

Feds get a backdoor into your system they implant false evidence....

for the AV companies issue is a moral one as well....to detect or not to detect...

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Is it legal?? 2001-12-22
Lamer

FBI is tracing many hackers & crackers and put them in jail
for spy some goverment 'puters

- Is it legal for FBI for spying OUR computers???...

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Blah! I'll bet AVP and AVX would detect this crappy trojan! 2001-12-23
Anonymous

And they're the only AV programs worth using. BTW, if the FBI really wanted a good trojan, I think they should hire the author of Sub Seven! :-D...

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'Magic Lantern' Rubs the Wrong Way 2002-03-19
Anonymous

First I've read of this trojan. Reminds me of something I'd heard re: MS having been given the green-light by either FBI or CIA to do whatever it takes to protect their copyright interests. If it comes to pass, no doubt MS will be working hand in hand with them, for mutual benefit.
(DCOM? SOAP?)...

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