, SecurityFocus 2000-04-17
Is Open Source really more secure than closed? Elias Levy says there's a little security in obscurity.
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Netscape developers are weenies!
2000-04-17
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Bug *fixes*...?
2000-04-17
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Re: bug fixes
2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
Examine the record...
2000-04-17
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Comparing Apache and IIS is wrong
2000-04-17
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You've made several critical mistakes in your comment.
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Sorry about the bad formatting.
2000-04-17
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Re: Bruce Parens' Defense of Open Source
2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
How to respond to past reports of vulnerability
2000-04-17
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Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Re: How to respond to past reports of vulnerability
2000-04-18
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David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
I don't think you get what he's talking about, Dave...
2000-04-19
Barry Fitzgerald <reaperx1 (at) netscape (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
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Thanks for the additional info but...
2000-04-17
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Trust-worthyness and ability to spot bugs
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
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Skill is always at a premium
2000-04-17
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Christopher Petrilli <petrilli (at) amber (dot) org [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Who found the sendmail bug?
2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Morris didn't find the Sendmail bug
2000-04-20
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
to expand on what i said earlier.
2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
So what you're saying is that open source software is often as insecure as closed-source software is most of the time.
2000-04-18
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Correct the facts and the conclusions stand strong
2000-04-21
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
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Original Bugtraq mailing list description?
2000-04-21
Robert Quinn <rquinn (at) pobox (dot) com [email concealed]>
Robert Quinn <rquinn (at) pobox (dot) com [email concealed]>

Though Elias is correct when he says that people aren't
reading open sources, I think it's the tone of the article
I disagree with.
At what point does it become a blackhat endeavour to find
vulnerabilities? It seems there is a pervasive attitude
from many in the security community that reading source in
search of a vulnerability is dishonourable. I don't know
anyone that would publicly admit to believing this, but
it seems to be a growing sentiment.
OSS is not the final solution for dealing with
the Hacker Menace, and I appreciate that Elias has
taken the time to take the piss out of some of the more
religious elements of the debate. But, code review is
undeniably a nessecary part of development, and
Buqtraq is evidence enough that industry has not done,
and due to its current priorities cannot, do an adequate
job of reviewing code.
Unfortunately, there is a creeping sentiment that OSS
is not a sustainable process worth exploring as an option
for mission critical applications, scalability and long term growth. The marketing FUD is in full polemic swing over
full disclosure vs. something a little more market oriented.
Current evidence suggests that large numbers of dedicated amatuers
are doing a much better job of finding security problems
than small teams of highly paid,and dubiously certified,
'professionals'.
I find it cruelly ironic that the "ethical hacking" industry
differentiates itself from the underground by virtue
of who signs their paycheques.
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