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Elias Levy, SecurityFocus 2000-04-17

Is Open Source really more secure than closed? Elias Levy says there's a little security in obscurity.

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Netscape developers are weenies! 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
Netscape developers are weenies! 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
haha... 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Ever hear of SourceSafe? 2000-04-17
Anonymous (3 replies)
MS vs. Linux 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Like most MS products 2000-04-17
Anonymous
MS has SourceSafe (hehe) 2000-04-17
Anonymous
SourceSafe Rocks 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Please emphasize your conclusion 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Bug *fixes*...? 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: bug fixes 2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
What? 2000-04-17
Anonymous
a bit reactionary, eh? 2000-04-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
potentialities and realities 2000-04-18
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]>
Latest MS bug fixed same day 2000-04-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
Good response, MS 2000-04-19
Anonymous
Wide Open Source 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Open Source Security 2000-04-17
Anonymous
You forgot one thing: 2000-04-17
Anonymous
But you ignore the obvious 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Auditing of compiled code not much harder ... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Forget about strcpy() 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Looking for strcpy() and sprintf() is near to worthless for security auditing of software other than simple programs, written by beginners -- I have a lot of strcpy() in my programs, and there were only two cases of buffer overflows, both didn't involve either, and were caused by sloppy manipulations with pointers on my part with no "help" from libc whatsoever. There would be no way in hell finding them in the binary except by "human-assisted decompilation" of large piece of code or "brute-force" feeding all kinds of weird input (not just long strings -- in those cases simple long string wouldn't do anything). This gives cracker an advantage -- whoever by some accident, patience or extreme curiosity about an unremarkable piece of binary code would find a bug first, would know it, and would know that it's unlikely that many people know it -- after that if that person would want to fix it, he wiould notify author, author would fix it and done with it (in the case when author would actually listen), but if instead that person would exploit the overflow, even on the large scale, it would be very hard to identify unless with another large amount of luck. With Open Source cracker has no such advantage -- a piece of code that manipulates pointers in some unobvious manner is likely to attract attention very soon, so even if cracker will find an exploit soon, he won't have much time to use it. And since most of people who mess with sources of open source software are not crackers, it's more likely that the first person who will find a bug will fix it, making it worthless for crackers.

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good analysis... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Examine the record... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Comparing Apache and IIS is wrong 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
crap load along with Apache. 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Path of the weak 2000-04-17
Anonymous
You've made several critical mistakes in your comment. 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Sorry about the bad formatting. 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Re: Bruce Parens' Defense of Open Source 2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
How to respond to past reports of vulnerability 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Re: How to respond to past reports of vulnerability 2000-04-18
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
I don't think you get what he's talking about, Dave... 2000-04-19
Barry Fitzgerald <reaperx1 (at) netscape (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Indeed there are a lot of bugs 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Thanks for the additional info but... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Trust-worthyness and ability to spot bugs 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Skill is always at a premium 2000-04-17
Christopher Petrilli <petrilli (at) amber (dot) org [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Rigorous methodology 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Blackhat? 2000-04-17
batz <batsy (at) vapour (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
semantics 2000-04-17
Ryan Russell <ryan (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>
Some good points... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Open source as a democracy 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Politics are irrelevant 2000-04-17
Anonymous
This isn't OSS vs. CSS 2000-04-17
Anonymous
bugs? yeah. fixes? right away 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Apples and Oranges 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
re: Apples and Oranges 2000-04-17
Anonymous
NSA/Linux 2000-04-20
Anonymous
Blackhat, whitehat, whatever. 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Who found the sendmail bug? 2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Morris didn't find the Sendmail bug 2000-04-20
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
to expand on what i said earlier. 2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
Attitudes 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Rates of evolution 2000-04-17
Anonymous
just a few little things... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
a quick Summary and rant 2000-04-17
Anonymous
OSS vs closed 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Banks, The NSA, and US companies. 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Open source? Use real examples! 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Come on 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Correct the facts and the conclusions stand strong 2000-04-21
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Original Bugtraq mailing list description? 2000-04-21
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