, SecurityFocus 2000-04-17
Is Open Source really more secure than closed? Elias Levy says there's a little security in obscurity.
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Netscape developers are weenies!
2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
Anonymous (2 replies)
Bug *fixes*...?
2000-04-17
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Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: bug fixes
2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
Examine the record...
2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
You've made several critical mistakes in your comment.
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Sorry about the bad formatting.
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Re: Bruce Parens' Defense of Open Source
2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
How to respond to past reports of vulnerability
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Re: How to respond to past reports of vulnerability
2000-04-18
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
I don't think you get what he's talking about, Dave...
2000-04-19
Barry Fitzgerald <reaperx1 (at) netscape (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Barry Fitzgerald <reaperx1 (at) netscape (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Thanks for the additional info but...
2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Anonymous (1 replies)
Trust-worthyness and ability to spot bugs
2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Skill is always at a premium
2000-04-17
Christopher Petrilli <petrilli (at) amber (dot) org [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Christopher Petrilli <petrilli (at) amber (dot) org [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Who found the sendmail bug?
2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Morris didn't find the Sendmail bug
2000-04-20
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
to expand on what i said earlier.
2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
So what you're saying is that open source software is often as insecure as closed-source software is most of the time.
2000-04-18
Anonymous
Anonymous
Correct the facts and the conclusions stand strong
2000-04-21
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Original Bugtraq mailing list description?
2000-04-21
Robert Quinn <rquinn (at) pobox (dot) com [email concealed]>
Robert Quinn <rquinn (at) pobox (dot) com [email concealed]>

>webserver with a whole crapload of other junk around.
Actually, I think that this observation merely reinforces the validity of the contention that open source software is generally inherently more secure. Why is there a whole bunch of crap force-bundled with IIS? Because the market mechanisms that sustain closed source programming also favour the tying and integration of unrelated components against the dictates of good engineering sense. This makes it harder for others to interoperate with you, reverse engineer you, and replace you, even in the partial extent that a new entrant could hope to achieve.
>Apache is minimal on purpose.
That's right. There are no such market pressures exerted by the legal constructions around open source; the GPL, etc. are specifically built to avoid these distortions. Because of this, open source software is most useful to other programmers, that is, is most used in final open source software, when the code is decoupled into well-engineered components whose intent is easy to understand and verify. Therefore, open source software has fewer security holes, and they are easy to spot and fix for the brief time that they exist.
Cheers,
David Ballantyne
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