Search: Home Bugtraq Vulnerabilities Mailing Lists Jobs Tools Beta Programs
Wide Open Source
Elias Levy, SecurityFocus 2000-04-17

Is Open Source really more secure than closed? Elias Levy says there's a little security in obscurity.

Comments Mode:
Netscape developers are weenies! 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
Netscape developers are weenies! 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
haha... 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Ever hear of SourceSafe? 2000-04-17
Anonymous (3 replies)
MS vs. Linux 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Like most MS products 2000-04-17
Anonymous
MS has SourceSafe (hehe) 2000-04-17
Anonymous
SourceSafe Rocks 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Please emphasize your conclusion 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Bug *fixes*...? 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: bug fixes 2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
What? 2000-04-17
Anonymous
a bit reactionary, eh? 2000-04-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
potentialities and realities 2000-04-18
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]>
Latest MS bug fixed same day 2000-04-18
Anonymous (1 replies)
Good response, MS 2000-04-19
Anonymous
Wide Open Source 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Open Source Security 2000-04-17
Anonymous
You forgot one thing: 2000-04-17
Anonymous
But you ignore the obvious 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Auditing of compiled code not much harder ... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Forget about strcpy() 2000-04-17
Anonymous
good analysis... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Examine the record... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Comparing Apache and IIS is wrong 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
crap load along with Apache. 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Path of the weak 2000-04-17
Anonymous
You've made several critical mistakes in your comment. 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (3 replies)
Sorry about the bad formatting. 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Re: Bruce Parens' Defense of Open Source 2000-04-17
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (2 replies)
How to respond to past reports of vulnerability 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Re: How to respond to past reports of vulnerability 2000-04-18
David Terrell <dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
"The bottom line is, are there more such vulnerabilities in current Open Source software, or in the current Microsoft product?"

I'm sorry that you feel this way. I think the only bottom line is "Are customers at risk". If you're going to consider Security as a marketing tool

in some sort of competition with another company, then I want to have

nothing to do with software you write. If I installed a Linux distribution one year ago, and haven't patched it since, is my machine at risk?

Yes.

You say we've learned something from the wu-ftpd exploits. Perhaps so. But these are lessons that have been documented publicly for the last decade. And they weren't found by a proactive audit, they were found by people who were actively cracking systems, and by people whose systems were actively being cracked.

If open source is such a panacea for security, WHY IS THIS STILL HAPPENING? Why didn't this stop three years ago? Four years ago?

Five years ago? Why were there remote buffer overflows in imapd?

Proftpd? and endless succession of other mediocre opensource packages?

You look at Open Source and say "the potential for security is higher." And you're _RIGHT_. But you think that's enough, and I think that is where you fail. Until proactive positive audits of software are conducted, systems are at risk every day. And until you and your fellow developers understand that, I tread fearfully any time I depend on the security of Linux-based machine.

David Terrell

dbt (at) meat (dot) net [email concealed]

[ reply ]

Link to this comment: http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/articles/19/1452#1452
I don't think you get what he's talking about, Dave... 2000-04-19
Barry Fitzgerald <reaperx1 (at) netscape (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Indeed there are a lot of bugs 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Thanks for the additional info but... 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Trust-worthyness and ability to spot bugs 2000-04-17
Bruce Perens <bruce (at) perens (dot) com [email concealed]>
Skill is always at a premium 2000-04-17
Christopher Petrilli <petrilli (at) amber (dot) org [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Rigorous methodology 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Blackhat? 2000-04-17
batz <batsy (at) vapour (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
semantics 2000-04-17
Ryan Russell <ryan (at) securityfocus (dot) com [email concealed]>
Some good points... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Open source as a democracy 2000-04-17
Anonymous (1 replies)
Politics are irrelevant 2000-04-17
Anonymous
This isn't OSS vs. CSS 2000-04-17
Anonymous
bugs? yeah. fixes? right away 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Apples and Oranges 2000-04-17
Anonymous (2 replies)
re: Apples and Oranges 2000-04-17
Anonymous
NSA/Linux 2000-04-20
Anonymous
Blackhat, whitehat, whatever. 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Who found the sendmail bug? 2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]> (1 replies)
Morris didn't find the Sendmail bug 2000-04-20
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
to expand on what i said earlier. 2000-04-17
Brett <disfunct (at) radiusnet (dot) net [email concealed]>
Attitudes 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Rates of evolution 2000-04-17
Anonymous
just a few little things... 2000-04-17
Anonymous
a quick Summary and rant 2000-04-17
Anonymous
OSS vs closed 2000-04-17
Anonymous
Banks, The NSA, and US companies. 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Open source? Use real examples! 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Come on 2000-04-18
Anonymous
Correct the facts and the conclusions stand strong 2000-04-21
Rick Smith <rick_smith (at) securecomputing (dot) com [email concealed]>
Original Bugtraq mailing list description? 2000-04-21
Robert Quinn <rquinn (at) pobox (dot) com [email concealed]>







 

Privacy Statement
Copyright 2009, SecurityFocus