Richard. I agree with your article that you would take a guy with experience rather than a guy with just a whole bunch of no nonsense certificates but the thing is, how does a student like me get that experience without having a certificate behind my name. I understand that there a load of guys out there that dont know jack(myself included) but the thing is, i want to learn, i have a genuine interest in security, but when corporations see your CV and resume, they laugh cause you dont have the right qualifications. I dont know, mayby its easier that side than over here. anyway guys enjoy whatever you guys are doing. I look forward to a few comments. Tommy

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