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Media Gone Mad
Tim Mullen, 2003-02-24

Why last week's big Windows security hole is nothing more than technology press hot air.

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Media Gone Mad 2003-02-24
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Linux_Hawk
I agree completely. 2003-02-24
Anonymous (4 replies)
I agree completely. 2003-02-24
Anonymous
Re: I agree completely. 2003-02-25
Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: I agree completely. 2003-02-25
Anonymous (1 replies)
Re: Re: I agree completely. 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Re: I agree completely. 2003-02-25
Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: I agree completely, or NOT 2003-02-26
Anonymous (2 replies)
Re: I agree completely, or NOT 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Re: I agree completely, or NOT 2003-02-27
Eric Grabowski (eric@mazenet.com) (1 replies)
Re: I agree completely, or NOT 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Re: I agree completely. 2003-02-26
Seb (1 replies)
Re: I agree completely. - thank you 2003-02-28
Anonymous (1 replies)
I agree completely. 2003-02-25
Anonymous (1 replies)
I agree completely - a little vauge, let's hear your arguments.... 2003-02-25
Anonymous (3 replies)
I agree completely - a little vauge, let's hear your arguments.... 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Ok, I'll join the discussion. If you want to harden a system you usually remove all unnecessary binaries and make directories with binaries immutable, so that you can't add new binaries or remove them (I usually do this by enabling the read-only jumper on SCSI disks, because it's hard to circumvent...). The problem with windows is that the same binary might contain the code for several network services, so if you need one, you can't remove the binary for another.

Also the most important point in security is simplicity. I for one want to understand every aspect of a system, because I think it's a necessity for keeping base installations of servers secure and designing good systems. For all the UNIX systems I administer, I know exactly what different components do and also know how most of the kernel works internally. Also there aren't any configuration options that I wouldn't understand, or those that I don't understand belong to applications I don't need. Can you say the same about windows? Do you know what each dll or exe file contains and do you know if you can simply delete it? Do you know what all the different options in the registry mean?

Also being able to compile things by yourself, you can guarantee that components you don't need aren't included in your binaries. Plus I'm not that interested in different configuration options or how fine-grained permissions the system provides, because those are irrelevant when you provide a service to non-trusted users; non-trusted users should never have any permissions. Of course the servers providing the service should run under minimal permissions.

I'd also point out that you can't easily compare the numbers of linux and windows vulnerabilities. The problem is that each linux distro has several CDs of applications for building a complete desktop or server system. For example quite a few linux distros include programs like gimp, but windows doesn't include programs like photoshop. For any vulnerability found on any of the CDs shipped with a distro, the vendor of the distro has to release a security advisory. The amount of programs is huge and most of them are never installed on a standard system, these programs just add up to the total sum of advisories released.

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I agree completely. 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-24
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-24
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
For once I agree with you. 2003-02-24
Anonymous
at least someone sees sense 2003-02-24
ravidew (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-24
Anonymous
Bravo! 2003-02-24
Keydet89@yahoo.com
Media Gone Mad or not? 2003-02-24
Anonymous
Norteamericano Gone Mad 2003-02-25
John Comeau http://risp.org/members/jcomeau (1 replies)
Norteamericano Gone Mad 2003-02-25
Gavin
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-25
Anonymous (4 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-25
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Wrong on at least one count 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-25
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-26
Charles Hill (9 replies)
WRONG! 2003-02-26
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-26
Anonymous
THANK YOU! 2003-02-26
Anonymous
WRONG!....err...not 2003-02-26
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-26
Ralf (1 replies)
WRONG! 2003-02-27
Anonymous
re: WRONG! 2003-02-26
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-26
jonsteph (1 replies)
WRONG! 2003-02-27
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-27
Anonymous
WRONG! 2003-02-28
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Jimmy
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Linux "boot" floppy? Wow, I'm impressed. 2003-02-26
TJ Miller jr (23 replies)
Linux "boot" floppy? Wow, I'm impressed. 2003-02-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
Actually, fellow, there -is- one. 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Linux "boot" floppy? Wow, I'm impressed. 2003-02-26
Daniel Franklin
Linux "boot" floppy? Wow, I'm impressed. 2003-02-26
Anonymous (2 replies)
Columnist Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous (2 replies)
Columnist Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-26
Egg Troll (14 replies)
re: My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-26
Stonewolf
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-26
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-26
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Feed the troll 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Re: My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Re: My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Re: My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
My Experience with The Linux 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Egg Troll Rules! Anonymous Doesn't. 2003-02-28
Anonymous (1 replies)
As if 2003-03-03
Anonymous
My Experience with The Linux 2003-03-05
blacklight
Linux Boot Floppy 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Joy! 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-26
Anonymous
You don't need a Linux boot floppy 2003-02-27
Aaron Brooks
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
icewhit
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Roberto J Dohnert
Defined media 2003-02-27
bri guy
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-27
Cent
Alert: Major Security Flaws 2003-02-27
Asmo (2 replies)
Alert: Major Security Flaws 2003-02-27
Anonymous
Alert: Major Security Flaws 2003-02-28
Anonymous
This IS a major vulnerability 2003-02-27
obadii@hushmail.com (2 replies)
This IS a major vulnerability 2003-03-02
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad - bye bye *nix 2003-02-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Media Gone Mad - bye bye *nix 2003-03-02
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-28
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-02-28
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-03-02
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad 2003-03-03
Anonymous
STOOPID PEOPLE 2003-03-03
GENIUS GUY (2 replies)
STOOPID PEOPLE 2003-03-04
Anonymous
STOOPID PEOPLE - uhm, yeah. 2003-03-04
Anonymous
It is unfortunate... 2003-03-03
Glenn Schulz (1 replies)
It is unfortunate...that you don't understand 2003-03-04
Anonymous (1 replies)
It is unfortunate...that Glenn learned security from a text book. 2003-03-05
Erik (1 replies)
Reality 2003-03-06
Glenn Schulz (1 replies)
Agreement 2003-03-06
Erik (2 replies)
It has been a pleasure 2003-03-07
Glenn Schulz
Agreement 2003-03-07
FUNNY (2 replies)
MICROSOFT SUCKS! 2003-03-04
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MICROSOFT SUCKS! - your a dink. 2003-03-06
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad - Strikeback 2003-03-05
Anonymous
Media Gone Mad - Linux sucks 2003-03-06
Anonymous
what more can I do 2003-03-06
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