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Too Cool For Secure Code
Jon Lasser, 2003-03-26

Until Unix and Linux programmers get over their macho love for low-level programming languages, the security holes will continue to flow freely.

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Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-26
Anonymous (3 replies)
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
DrNerdware
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-26
Anonymous (4 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Don't Forget Ada! 2003-04-02
StealthBadger
Solving the problem 2003-03-27
Peter Ross
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-04-07
jhon blacken
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-26
Anonymous (26 replies)
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Secure languages? 2003-03-27
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
dbtid (1 replies)
That's the wrong attitude. - haha, time to upgrade 2003-03-30
Anonymous (1 replies)
That's the wrong attitude. - haha, time to upgrade 2003-04-01
Penguinisto
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
ok but... 2003-03-27
SeJo
Re: That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
George Barbarosie
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Listener
Tools matter 2003-03-27
Jon
You are an idiot (or a troll). 2003-03-27
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Re: That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
CondorDes
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Ron
Re:That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
> No language will stop an idiot from making mistakes.

The article doesn't claim a language can prevent idiots from making mistakes. But using a higher level language (like Java or Perl) will prevent an idiot from making more buffer overflow bugs. Getting rid of overflow bugs is like getting rid of Smallpox: It lets you get on to the next problem.

> there's no good reason that my mail client should take 200 megs of ram and 100% cpu

I agree. But that's got nothing to do with language. GNOME and KDE have proven that you can write bloated code in C/C++. (I've been playing with several window managers that are under 100K.)


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Link to this comment: http://www.securityfocus.com/comments/columns/150/18965#18965
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
DrNerdware
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Obsolete thinking. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
That's the wrong attitude. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Type safety is good 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Real issue: don't make the same mistakes. 2003-03-29
Anonymous
I totally agree 2003-04-08
Anonymous
Nonsense 2003-03-26
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-26
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-26
Anonymous (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-31
SK
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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mk
Slow news day? 2003-03-27
TJ Miller jr
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Marion De Liau (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-31
Anonymous
Strong Typing, etc. 2003-03-27
RC
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Right idea, wrong solution 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Fra. 219
This is hogwash... I guess we should all use VB? That's High Level and we know how "bug" free that is. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
so pilots can't really fly? 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Work at a C shop guys? 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Oh Boy 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Shawn
This is exactly right. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Johnathan Lasser Isn't a a Programmer 2003-03-27
Someone Who Actually Writes Code (1 replies)
Johnathan Lasser Isn't a a Programmer 2003-04-02
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Das Megabyte (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-04-08
ibanix
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Tirs
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Dave
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Ivan Vecerina
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Anonymous
Crap 2003-03-27
terber
christ, what a whinger 2003-03-27
mark hahn (hahn@mcmaster.ca)
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Anonymous
Syte and Methodology not the Tool 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
I Dont Think So 2003-03-27
Randy LeJeune
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X-Nc
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Kirk Rafferty (kirk_at_rafferty.org)
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Things should change 2003-03-27
Matthew B
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
I agree entirely 2003-03-27
Iain Collins (iain_collins@mac.com)
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Anonymous
Thats the _right_ attitude 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Sticks-and-Stones programming tools 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Higher level languages also insecure 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Bad code is a result of a poor development process 2003-03-27
c0d3cr33p@hotmail.com
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Synonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
simply sloppy programming 2003-03-27
rishab
Its not macho love its SKILLS! 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Silly 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Boo. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
(sigh) 2003-03-27
grey
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
I agree 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
It's Too Cool To Criticize Programmers 2003-03-27
PipTigger
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Java as a solution 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Many scripting languages don't scale 2003-03-27
PyMan
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Anonymous
MS security much worse. 2003-03-27
Ron
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
No.. No.. No.. 2003-03-27
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Ben
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Anonymous
Partially true 2003-03-27
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
Couldn't agree more 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Software responsibilities 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Blame the coder, not the language 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Alternatives? 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Too Cool For Tested Code? 2003-03-28
Werm
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
Lee Reynolds
Stupidest piece I have ever read. 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Too Cool? No, not really. 2003-03-28
clee
Stop wasting electrons and our time 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code - Wise Words 2003-03-28
DrNerdware
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Angelos Karageorgiou
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Philips
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Anonymous
Way Kewl For Secure Code 2003-03-28
fnaaijkens@ultihouse.com
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Anonymous
For what it's worth, RPC wasn't 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code? My two cents 2003-03-28
Anonymous
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vijeno <vijen0@yahoo.com>
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
User clients are rarely security risks 2003-03-28
Anonymous
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Anonymous
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Anonymous
Re: Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-28
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-29
Anonymous
That was a joke ? 2003-03-29
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-29
blacklight
I Agree 2003-03-29
LesPaul
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-29
Not Really Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code - USE VB! 2003-03-30
Anonymous (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code - USE VB! 2003-04-01
Anonymous
goto india; 2003-03-30
mummer the bard
Portability, efficentcy, hot air 2003-03-31
jthomas@poweronemedia.com
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-03-31
G. Bailey Childs
Why say it's just Linux/unix? 2003-04-01
Ally
Too Cool For Secure Code 2003-04-01
Anonymous (1 replies)
Too Cool For Secure Code - uh, yeah no shit 2003-04-01
Anonymous
Too Cool For Secure Code -- Only Unix and Linux? 2003-04-02
winklessd@netscape.com
This is so funny - linux on linux battle 2003-04-02
Anonymous (1 replies)
This is so funny - linux on linux battle 2003-04-03
Anonymous (1 replies)
This is so funny - linux on linux battle 2003-04-03
Anonymous
The article reflets the writers inexperience 2003-04-08
Anonymous







 

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