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A Certified Waste of Time
Jon Lasser, 2002-03-13

In which your intrepid columnist hands over $450 to sit for the CISSP exam, only to conclude that it measures little of value.

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A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Anonymous CISSP (2 replies)
Well, We know he didnt pass....thats why he writes books 2002-03-14
Scott Sattler (1 replies)
Well, We know he didnt pass....thats why he writes books 2002-03-20
Anonymous
This Article Was A Certified Waste of Time! 2002-03-14
Tom Alibrandi (3 replies)
This Article Was A Certified Waste of Time! 2002-03-17
Anonymous
This Article Was A Certified Waste of Time! 2002-03-25
Anonymous
Re: This Article Was A Certified Waste of Time! 2007-05-22
Anonymous
The answer is 16 2002-03-13
Anonymous (1 replies)
The answer is 16 2002-03-15
Anonymous (1 replies)
The answer is 16 2002-03-18
Arthur Dent
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Jim Rodgers
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
BaijuShah, CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time... not for me! 2002-03-13
Aaron Higbee (2 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time... not for me! 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time... not for me! 2002-03-24
Anonymous
No real correlation 2002-03-13
Anonymous (1 replies)
No real correlation 2002-03-15
John Whorfin <johnwhorfin@lectroid.net>
> I know many people who have taken the test and there
> is no correlation to their ability to take their
> "well rounded" knowledge and actually apply it to
> real life security technology design.

Similar to MCSEs, CCNAs or BS degrees. So?

> I will say that there are many techies who run around
> saying "well that's not secure" without understanding
> that security is a cost-benefit analysis.

You ARE Craig Mudie! Admit it!!!

> The secrecy around the passing metrics to me is more
> alarming

The Author was wrong. If you pass, the scores are kept secret (in theory to avoid having scores be a comparison factor). If you fail then you get the full magilla. What your score was, what questions you missed (I think) and overall what areas to blew it on.

The author will probably discover this in a few weeks :).

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A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Anonymous (1 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
cray@ttlunlimited.com (1 replies)
CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2002-03-16
teLi, CCNP (5 replies)
CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2002-03-18
Thomas Porter, Ph.D.
CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2002-03-18
Aaron Higbee
CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2002-03-22
Anonymous
CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2002-03-29
Mr. Chase
Re: CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2007-07-31
IT prof (1 replies)
Re: Re: CCIE-Security & Cisco Security Specialist 1 2008-03-23
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
Anonymous (1 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-20
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-13
M
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous (1 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-24
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Ian Simpson
Congratulations 2002-03-14
auto318190 (1 replies)
Those who can ... do... those who cannot... 2002-03-26
Ann 'Onymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous (1 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Anonymous2
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Coldman
Trivial Pursuit 2002-03-14
Mike R
Go to SANS 2002-03-14
Chris (3 replies)
Go to SANS?! 2002-03-14
Anonymous (1 replies)
Go to SANS?! 2002-03-24
Anonymous
Go to SANS 2002-03-14
HD, CISSP (1 replies)
Go to SANS 2002-03-18
Anonymous
Go to SANS 2002-03-15
Tim (2 replies)
Go to SANS 2002-03-20
Anonymous
Go to SANS 2002-03-24
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Terry Atkison
Certs 2002-03-14
W. Allen (1 replies)
Certs 2002-03-21
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Louis Dolton
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous
Not the stated function of the certification 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Surreal
Pass it and respect it. Do not pass it and blame the test. 2002-03-14
From someone who doesn't know anything but it is a CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous CISSP
Take it for what it's worth 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time - How closed minded can you get 2002-03-14
Eric, CISSP CCIE CNE MCSE ACE CCSE (3 replies)
Re: A Certified Waste of Time - How closed minded can you get 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time - How closed minded can you get 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time - How closed minded can you get 2002-03-16
H Carvey <keydet89@yahoo.com>
A Certified Waste of Time: John Lasser 2002-03-14
David Hawley, CISSP
It's so easy to criticize, Isn't it? 2002-03-14
Dr. Mike Ewing (2 replies)
It's so easy to criticize, Isn't it? 2002-03-15
Anonymous
now that you mention it .. 2002-03-17
No One of Consequence (1 replies)
now that you mention it .. 2002-03-21
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous, CISSP, SSCP
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time?? 2002-03-14
matt@whatuwant.com
What is your basic problem? 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of SF Goodwill 2002-03-14
Chris (2 replies)
A Certified Waste of SF Goodwill 2002-03-18
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of SF Goodwill 2002-03-21
Jack
Try the CISA, to you, it may be the "security" Holy Cert 2002-03-14
You really crack me up!
Prove Your Point 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-14
Arnie Jackson
Lookie what I found.. Mr. Lasser was on SANS payroll 2002-03-14
Anonymous (1 replies)
Lookie what I found.. Mr. Lasser was on SANS payroll 2002-03-21
Andy
Specialists vs. Generalists 2002-03-15
Robert Alberti, CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Anonymous
Obviously written by someone who doesn't understand security 2002-03-15
Chris Thatcher, CISSP, MCSE
A few more thoughts... 2002-03-15
Rick Ewart, CPA & CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time- You said a mouthful 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Edward J. Liebig CISSP, CBCP, MCP - Director, IT Security
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
MCurry
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Anonymous
More to it than that 2002-03-15
Don Helms CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time - Who are the certs for? 2002-03-15
Steven
CISSPs in Europe? 2002-03-15
gmflash@web.de (1 replies)
CISSPs in Europe? 2002-03-20
Salvatore Cagliari <cks@s-cagliari.de>
Consider Security Certified Program (SCP); securitycertified.net 2002-03-15
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Jim Webster, CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time - NOT! 2002-03-15
Chris Hare CISSP, CISA
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-15
Mel
What... 2002-03-15
Anonymous (1 replies)
What... 2002-03-18
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-16
teLi, CCNP (1 replies)
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-18
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-16
Samuel Yeung, CISA, BS7799 Lead Auditor (1 replies)
the above post needs a wake up call 2002-03-24
Anonymous
A Certified Bunch of Crybabies... 2002-03-16
Mr. Andre Robitaille, I wonder how many acronyms I can put after my name? (1 replies)
A Certified Bunch of Crybabies...AND Talk about Anally Retentive!! 2002-03-25
Dr. E. W. c.r.t.f.q., c.b.o.h.i.c.a, c.w.g.a.s., cv43, LEO
Lasser's Waste of Time 2002-03-16
CISSP and Happy about it
CISSP is an easy out for employers and money making enterprise for ISC2 2002-03-16
3yr CISSP
The CISSP replies 2002-03-16
Guy Unconvinced, TLA BFD EIEIO IMHO
Have you read the ISC2 Code of Ethics, Jon Boy? 2002-03-17
BFI
CISSP - a (sometimes) necessary waste of time 2002-03-17
Anonymous
Certification epiphany? 2002-03-17
David Byrne, CISSP, MCSE, MCP+I
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-17
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-18
Anonymous
A Student's View 2002-03-18
Frank Reid
CISSP is for Security Management 2002-03-18
Chris Shepherd
A Certified Lack of Research Before Writing 2002-03-19
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-19
Security Expert
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-03-19
Scott Sattler (4 replies)
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-03-20
Not Impressed by a Sting of Certs (1 replies)
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-03-20
Robert Banz, (this space for rent)
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-03-21
Mel
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-03-25
Anonymous
Beware Of Consultant LIke Jon Lasser 2002-04-03
Mike Rose (mbr@eclipse.net)
What does it measure? 2002-03-19
Anonymous
Lasser is both right, and wrong. 2002-03-20
Bill Schmidt, CISSP
A Certified Waste of Time - You mean the article right! 2002-03-20
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-20
Anonymous CISSP
Something to ponder 2002-03-20
jj
Get a Life 2002-03-21
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-21
Jack
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-21
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-21
Patric
Certificates 2002-03-21
Ernie
Here is an Answer to CISSP outdated certification!!! 2002-03-22
rzel
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-22
Anonymous
Value 2002-03-22
Troy McCarty
how about using some logic in your arguments? 2002-03-22
Anonymous
CISSP Behavior - Security Professional? 2002-03-23
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time (Absolutly!) 2002-03-23
Anonymous
there goes the brain 2002-03-24
Mr Morrow
A Certified Waste of Time - Why put CISSP on the resume 2002-03-24
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time - keeping things in perspective 2002-03-25
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-25
Anonymous
SANS?! GIMME A BREAK! 2002-03-25
Anonymous (1 replies)
SANS?! GIMME A BREAK! 2002-03-26
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2002-03-25
Anonymous
What about SCNP?? 2002-03-26
Anonymous
Remember the P in CISSP 2002-03-26
Robert Kerby, CISSP
The top domain is english. 2002-03-27
Anonymous (1 replies)
The top domain is english. 2002-03-27
Anonymous
Lasser works for SANS 2002-03-28
Truth in Journalism Seeker
It's Too Early. 2002-03-31
Colin Rous (emphatically NOT a CISSP)
Balance? Honesty? What's really best for the profession? 2002-04-01
David G.
My Response 2002-04-02
Jon Lasser (2 replies)
My Response 2002-04-03
Not Really Anonymous
Well done 2002-04-03
Anonymous
(ISC)2 vs ethics 2002-04-06
Anonymous
A Certified Waste of Time 2006-11-08
Paul S. Vincent (1 replies)
Re: A Certified Waste of Time 2007-01-07
Paul Henry CISSP
Don't Take This Author Seriously 2007-05-20
Anonymous
Poor guy! 2007-08-09
Anonymous







 

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