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Beware the Kindness of Strangers: The Case Against Good Samaritan Hackers
Richard Forno, 2002-03-28

The Good Samaritan defence, invoked by hackers like Adrian Lamo, can too easily be distorted by those with less altruistic intentions.

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Good Samaritan Guidelines 2002-03-29
Anonymous (1 replies)
Good Samaritan Guidelines 2002-04-09
ImNotAHacker@hotmail.com
The first four letters of analogy. . . . 2002-04-01
Ira Wing (2 replies)
The first four letters of analogy. . . . 2002-04-04
Andy Richmond (1 replies)
Gee Ira you're a really neat guy. And all powerful too. Who could possibly have anything to say of value after that tirade?

"If one more of you well paid security columnist/consultants brings up the locked-door-of-a-house analogy, I think I'm going to give up the fight."

You're teasing us right?

"The reason it is so easy for people like Adrian Lamo . . . and like me . . . to break into your networks is that all of you people think alike. I can put myself into your head and think of all the very simple stuff you use to obfuscate your network."

This really is the center of the issue for people like you: Two things; You do it for ego, and to feel powerful. It's all about how you feel and what you think of yourself, it is NOT about being some kind of Cyber Lone Ranger.

"Yes. It's against the law. But you know what, so is spitting on the street in Oakland, CA and refusing a man a drink of water in Arizona. Are these good laws? Does our system of governance benefit from their continued existence as prosecutable offenses? Does my bringing up of these laws as a "defense" against your "analogy" validate anything? Of course not."

Fine lets turn it around; even if it were not illegal to do what you do, it would still amount to (with or without the law) you poking your nose around with a false sense of self importance with personal motives to nurture your emotionally stunted self esteem which has nothing to do with telling the guy who just parked next to you he left his lights on. So even without the law as you said, you validate nothing. Your actions themselves are invalid.

"Until you can think like me, you are vulnerable because [stuff deleted] ... as long as you allow users to reset their passwords by using a web form to put in their date of birth, you are merely feeding the curiousity of people that want to see what you're hiding in all that bandwidth."

'Feeding your curiosity?' Wow that's kinda like "She deserved it, did you see the way she was dressed?" Yeah buddy that's all about ~your~ business.

"I'm glad that I'm not you."

I would imagine most folks here are also glad you are not them.

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