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The Right to Defend
Tim Mullen, 2002-07-29

Is it criminal to reach out and hack an infected machine that's attacking your network?

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What about the the rights of the entertainment industry? 2002-07-31
Brian Erdelyi (1 replies)
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What about the the rights of the entertainment industry? 2002-08-05
Brian Erdelyi
>> This is the same argument that attempts to justify Mr.
>> Berman's, and company, attempts to propose legislation
>> that will allow copyright owners to "hack" copyright
>> violators sharing copyrighted content.
>
>It is not, and for one simple reason:
>
>A hacker attempting to maliciously obtain access or deny
>access to your system is initiating force against you.

Where is the personal injury in this that supports retaliation or defense?

The injury is a result that information stored on my system has value. If the information did not have value, what would be the loss?

>By the Non-Aggression Principle, no human being has the
>right -- under any circumstances -- to initiate force
>against another human being, nor to advocate or delegate
>its initiation.

This idea is also discussed in John Stuart Mill's On Liberty. I have the freedom to do what I want so long as my actions do not harm others.

I would actually argue that you don't own the content of that music CD you purchased even though you may own the physical media. You are merely licensed to use the information according to the terms of the license agreement. Even when the information resides in your thoughts, the information is still protected by copyright laws detering you from trying to use that information as your own.

Hollywood sees action against their information as harmful and may even try to argue that it threatens their livelihood. Regardless of how much money Hollywood makes (or software vendors), personal trading of this information is a violation of the copyrights. The copyright owner does have the right to protect and defend themselves.

Information owner (as in the case of a home user or system administrator) or copyright owner (as in the case of Hollywood) are identical.

I do not agree that an information owner has the right to directly act against a violator (we're not talking about direct physical injury). Disciplinary action is the responsibility of society and should not be left up to the individual.

Hollywood (and system administrators) should be lobbying for better information security laws and enforcement.

Regards,
Brian

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