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Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 05:08AM
David Litchfield (david ngssoftware com) (7 replies)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 01:41PM
dullien gmx de (1 replies)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 10:52PM
David Litchfield (david ngssoftware com) (2 replies)
Re[2]: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 05:02PM
dullien gmx de
RE: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 09:47PM
Jason Coombs (jasonc science org)
RE: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 06:54PM
Riley Hassell (rhassell eeye com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 02:00PM
sd hysteria sk (1 replies)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 11:20PM
David Litchfield (david ngssoftware com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 02:00PM
Torbjörn Hovmark (torbjorn hovmark abtrusion com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 11:38AM
Charlie Root (weedpower home ro) (4 replies)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 06 2003 01:00AM
Deus, Attonbitus (Thor HammerofGod com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 09:49PM
Alun Jones (alun texis com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 08:08PM
Brian Hatch (bugtraq ifokr org) (2 replies)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 09:38PM
David S Goldberg (dsg mitre org)
>>>>> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:08:48 -0800, Brian Hatch <bugtraq (at) ifokr (dot) org [email concealed]> said:

> I fail to see how adding security that doesn't have a performance
> or stability cost is ever a bad thing.

Agreed. I'm not sure, however, that David's idea doesn't have an
affect on stability. Not the stability of a single server but on an
environment consisting of many servers. I'm not Windows wizard, but
I'll accept from everything I've already read in this thread that
rebasing on a single system will not have a negative impact on it.
However I question how will it scale to several tens of servers, which
is my problem? Is there an easy way to automate it such that it is
done after patch application? Considering how difficult and/or
expensive, take your pick, it is to apply patches in an automated
fashion on Windows systems I suspect not. Moreover, I gather that for
the solution to be effective, each system should be rebased
differently requiring even more planning to get it right even if
automation were easy. This should not be taken as an indictment of
the idea, just asking that when implementing security solutions on
individual machines, the keepers of security should consider the
issues of scale that we sysadmins have to deal with.

Thanks,
--
Dave Goldberg
Associate Department Head, G06A: Advanced Technical Computing Center
The Mitre Corporation \ MS K331 \ 202 Burlington Rd. \ Bedford, MA 01730
dsg (at) mitre (dot) org [email concealed] \ 781-271-3887

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Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 05:26PM
Alan DeKok (aland freeradius org) (2 replies)
Re: Can't Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 10:06AM
bugtraq gaza halo nu (2 replies)
Re[2]: Can't Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 06 2003 07:14PM
dullien gmx de
Observation on randomization/rebiasing... Feb 05 2003 09:10PM
Nicholas Weaver (nweaver CS berkeley edu) (1 replies)
RE: Observation on randomization/rebiasing... Feb 05 2003 10:07PM
Jason Coombs (jasonc science org)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 01:48AM
Crispin Cowan (crispin wirex com)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 06:38PM
David Litchfield (david ngssoftware com) (1 replies)
Re: [VulnDiscuss] Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 05 2003 05:32PM
Halvar Flake (halvar gmx net)
Re: Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 04 2003 11:34AM
Eugene Tsyrklevich (eugene securityarchitects com)
Re: [VulnDiscuss] Preventing exploitation with rebasing Feb 03 2003 09:49PM
Michal Zalewski (lcamtuf coredump cx)


 

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