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Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 22 2004 05:25PM
Richard M. Smith (rms computerbytesman com) (2 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 23 2004 03:28PM
Brian C. Lane (bcl brianlane com) (2 replies)
Re: [work] Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 24 2004 06:46PM
opticfiber (opticfiber topsight net) (1 replies)
Re: [work] Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 24 2004 08:27PM
Jonathan A. Zdziarski (jonathan nuclearelephant com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 23 2004 08:59PM
Kevin Reardon (Kevin Reardon oracle com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 23 2004 03:29AM
~Kevin Davis³ (computerguy cfl rr com) (3 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 24 2004 05:16AM
rsh idirect com
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 23 2004 07:58PM
Kirk Spencer (kspencer ngrl org) (1 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 25 2004 02:06AM
Crispin Cowan (crispin immunix com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 23 2004 06:48PM
Daniel Capo tco net br (2 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 29 2004 04:09PM
Mariusz Woloszyn (emsi ipartners pl) (3 replies)
RE: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 04:17PM
David Schwartz (davids webmaster com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 02:56PM
Christian Vogel (chris obelix hedonism cx) (2 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 08:06PM
Ron DuFresne (dufresne winternet com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 04:13PM
Daniel Capo tco net br (1 replies)
Christian Vogel wrote:

>
> i think "technical" people often think of the law-system as something
> as C-code, as it's written there is only one way for a standard
> compliant compiler to interpret it. I think the judges are more flexible
> than gcc in this regard, they can also assume that one perfectly knows
> that one is supposed to read http://www.cnn.com but not to read
> http://qz25srv.competitor.com/internal/memos/strategy.doc (made up
> example) even if -- from a technical standpoint -- there is no
> difference.

What concerns me most is that not one objection I received addressed the
point I made. I spoke of the _legal_ definition of "hacking", and all
people came up with was disagreement based on their own personal
feelings on the matter.

Excuse me, but personal feelings in this matter is irrelevant. People
objected to the press applying the term "hacking" to what happened, and
I pointed out that their usage was correct according to the law,
assuming their portrayal of the events was accurate.

And every single person who objected did so on the grounds that they
don't like this definition. Sheesh. Who cares? This is bugtraq, not
slashdot. Prove me wrong by quoting legislation, point out that the
facts of the case do not lead to this conclusion, but, please, more
signal, less noise.

On a side not, I'm a technical person myself, and I much dislike this
fuzzyness in the law. This case seems pretty clear, but I can conjure up
dozens of real life scenarios where it's ambiguous or the actual ruling
would be "just wrong", IMHO. And that's all that this is: mho.

[ reply ]
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 04 2004 04:39PM
Thomas M. Payerle (payerle physics umd edu)
Re: [security] Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 04:02AM
rsh idirect com (1 replies)
Re: [security] Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 03 2004 10:08PM
Bernie, CTA (cta hcsin net) (1 replies)
RE: [security] Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Feb 05 2004 11:41AM
Larry Seltzer (larry larryseltzer com)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 24 2004 07:11PM
Dinesh Nair (dinesh alphaque com) (1 replies)
Re: Major hack attack on the U.S. Senate Jan 24 2004 08:32PM
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