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Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 16 2004 11:26AM
R Armiento (rar_bt armiento se) (7 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 06:55PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:27PM
Joel Eriksson (je-secfocus bitnux com) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 08:57PM
Jason Coombs (jasonc science org)
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2004 at 01:26:28PM +0200, R Armiento wrote:
>>For example: attacker 'A' sends 'B' a social engineering request
>>for "the secret plans"
...
>>spam filter silently drops the email. 'A' forges a reply

Joel Eriksson wrote:
> it's not a "real" vulnerability that gives remote root to
> the attacker, I think it's beautiful though. :)

More likely I will ask your boss to approve payment of an invoice and
then send my own forged authorization.

This is a widespread vulnerability in the way that organizations
improperly trust computer communications.

The only solution is to implement some type of authentication for
important electronic communications, and we all know that new
vulnerabilities are exposed once there is an authentication mechanism.

To presume that electronic communications and stored communications are
trustworthy, the way that the parties to civil litigation generally do,
and the way that criminal courts nearly always do, creates endless
potential for very bad things to happen. We must always doubt by default
anything that is in electronic form.

With that in mind, remember that the attacker in the scenario presented
will only succeed once per target and then the target will adapt and
defend. In practice that is an acceptable risk, and the natural
condition of our exposure to computer vulnerabilities.

Where we really see harm come from improper computing practices on a
large scale is in court. As a society we will never be capable of
adapting to threats because there will always be new people who have not
previously suffered the consequences of each mode of attack.

Sincerely,

Jason Coombs

Director of Forensic Services
PivX Solutions, Inc.
http://www.pivx.com

[ reply ]
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:52PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:51PM
Bill Burge (bill burge com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:04PM
krispykringle gentoo org
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 02:18PM
Aaron Cake (aaron vltpm com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 21 2004 01:23PM
Chris Brown (chris wavetex com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 11:28AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (4 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 22 2004 02:20PM
Martin Maèok (martin macok underground cz) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 12:53AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 10:46PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 09:48PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 07:49PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 05:35PM
Seth Breidbart (sethb panix com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 20 2004 01:52PM
Luca Berra (bluca comedia it) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 08:32PM
Michael A. Dickerson (mikey singingtree com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:19AM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 23 2004 05:07PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:42PM
The Fungi (fungi yuggoth org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 05:44PM
John Fitzgibbon (bugtraq jfitz com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 25 2004 05:08AM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 02:56PM
Kyle Wheeler (kyle-bugtraq memoryhole net)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 12:49AM
Jon Fiedler (jmf9 cwru edu) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 01:29AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com)
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:26AM
Hamlesh Motah (admin hamlesh com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:21AM
Ilya Sher (ilya79 actcom net il)


 

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