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Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 16 2004 11:26AM
R Armiento (rar_bt armiento se) (7 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 06:55PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:27PM
Joel Eriksson (je-secfocus bitnux com) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 08:57PM
Jason Coombs (jasonc science org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:52PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:51PM
Bill Burge (bill burge com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:04PM
krispykringle gentoo org
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 02:18PM
Aaron Cake (aaron vltpm com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 21 2004 01:23PM
Chris Brown (chris wavetex com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 11:28AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (4 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 22 2004 02:20PM
Martin Maèok (martin macok underground cz) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 24 2004 07:15AM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu
On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 16:20:02 +0200, Martin =?iso-8859-2?Q?Ma=E8ok?= <martin.macok (at) underground (dot) cz [email concealed]> said:

> IHMO 1: If your filter decides the message is not worth a delivery
> it's not worth a bounce too.

Not true, because...

> IMHO 3: If user Joe gets 10 delivery failures of messages that he has
> not sent and one delivery failure of message that he has
> actually sent, it is worse than if he gets nothing.

It's not worse. That bounce message for the mail you actually sent may be very
critical.... Consider the following scenarios:

1) You've been working on fixing a problem for 16 hours, and decide to call it
quits and get some sleep, so you mail your boss and co-workers with a status
update.

2) You make some trivial error (perhaps you type "steve. bill" rather than
"steve, bill".

3) The mail of course has issues.

With a bounce:

4) You get the bounce, say "D'Oh!", fix the problem, resend, and go home and
get some sleep. Steve and Bill know the status, and finish fixing it and
everything is fine.

Without a bounce:

4) You go home, and the next morning the boss rips into you for not keeping
everybody posted. Steve and Bill didn't see your note, and they've tried to
clean up after you, and only making things worse because they didn't know about
the stuff you told them in the note that bounced....

[ reply ]
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 12:53AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 10:46PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 09:48PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 07:49PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 05:35PM
Seth Breidbart (sethb panix com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 20 2004 01:52PM
Luca Berra (bluca comedia it) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 08:32PM
Michael A. Dickerson (mikey singingtree com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:19AM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 23 2004 05:07PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:42PM
The Fungi (fungi yuggoth org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 05:44PM
John Fitzgibbon (bugtraq jfitz com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 25 2004 05:08AM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 02:56PM
Kyle Wheeler (kyle-bugtraq memoryhole net)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 12:49AM
Jon Fiedler (jmf9 cwru edu) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 01:29AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com)
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:26AM
Hamlesh Motah (admin hamlesh com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:21AM
Ilya Sher (ilya79 actcom net il)


 

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