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Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 16 2004 11:26AM
R Armiento (rar_bt armiento se) (7 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 06:55PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:27PM
Joel Eriksson (je-secfocus bitnux com) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 08:57PM
Jason Coombs (jasonc science org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:52PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 18 2004 06:51PM
Bill Burge (bill burge com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 05:04PM
krispykringle gentoo org
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 02:18PM
Aaron Cake (aaron vltpm com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 21 2004 01:23PM
Chris Brown (chris wavetex com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 11:28AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (4 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 22 2004 02:20PM
Martin Maèok (martin macok underground cz) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 12:53AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 10:46PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
OK, I'll brave the storm of broken autoresponders one more time....

>> IMHO 3: If user Joe gets 10 delivery failures of messages that he
>> has not sent and one delivery failure of message that he has
>> actually sent, it is worse than if he gets nothing.

> This is indeed a problem, and it's a loophole that needs to be
> closed.

Unfortunately it's difficult for most people to close.

> There needs to be a way for an SMTP server to correlate a bounce
> message with a sent message, and reject the bounce message if it
> wasn't caused by a validly-sent message. Proposals like SPF can help
> a little.

A little. But there also is a need to _identify_ bounce messages.

A few years back, I got joed - some lamer forged my address into the
from-line of what appears to have been an entire spamrun. I got some
small number of thousands of bounces before I taught my mailer to pick
apart multipart/report bounces and reject them if the bounced message
doesn't show certain signs that all messages I send show. This helped
immensely, and when the modern crop of from-line forging malware showed
up, my defenses were already in place and functioning.

Today, I occasionally get bounces for malware with my address forged
into the fromline. I respond to them with a more or less stock
response that goes something like

If you _must_ do accept-and-bounce (something which is
increasingly "part of the problem" in today's net), please at
least make sure your bounces are proper multipart/report
bounces, so they can be mechanically identified and treated
appropriately. (See RFC 3462 for more on multipart/report.)

I've been doing this only a little while. If there comes to be a site
which is a persistent source of bounces and also persistently ignores
that request, I'm prepared to block it entirely.

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Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 23 2004 09:48PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 07:49PM
der Mouse (mouse Rodents Montreal QC CA)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? (silently dropping messages) Jun 25 2004 05:35PM
Seth Breidbart (sethb panix com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 20 2004 01:52PM
Luca Berra (bluca comedia it) (3 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 08:32PM
Michael A. Dickerson (mikey singingtree com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:19AM
Valdis Kletnieks vt edu
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 23 2004 05:07PM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE) (2 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 07:42PM
The Fungi (fungi yuggoth org)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 24 2004 05:44PM
John Fitzgibbon (bugtraq jfitz com) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 25 2004 05:08AM
PSE-L mail professional org (Sean Straw / PSE)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 02:56PM
Kyle Wheeler (kyle-bugtraq memoryhole net)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 12:49AM
Jon Fiedler (jmf9 cwru edu) (1 replies)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 19 2004 01:29AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com)
RE: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:26AM
Hamlesh Motah (admin hamlesh com)
Re: Is predictable spam filtering a vulnerability? Jun 17 2004 08:21AM
Ilya Sher (ilya79 actcom net il)


 

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