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Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 04:50PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net) (2 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 09:03PM
Tom Lane (tgl sss pgh pa us) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 09:23PM
Jim C. Nasby (decibel decibel org) (4 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 04:50PM
Joshua D. Drake (jd commandprompt com) (2 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 07:48PM
Lance James (lancej securescience net)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 06:05PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encryptedpasswords Apr 21 2005 09:06AM
Tino Wildenhain (tino wildenhain de) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted Apr 21 2005 01:32PM
Rod Taylor (pg rbt ca) (2 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted Apr 22 2005 03:33AM
Michael Samuel (michael miknet net)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted Apr 21 2005 01:47PM
Tino Wildenhain (tino wildenhain de)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 02:58AM
Jim Knoble (jmknoble pobox com) (1 replies)
RE: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 07:25PM
Mike Fratto (mfratto nwc com) (2 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 09:14PM
Jim Knoble (jmknoble pobox com)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 08:50PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net) (1 replies)
RE: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 09:14PM
Mike Fratto (mfratto nwc com) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 09:33PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net) (1 replies)
RE: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 09:57PM
Mike Fratto (mfratto nwc com)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 10:03PM
Tom Lane (tgl sss pgh pa us) (3 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 02:27AM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 10:27PM
Bruno Wolff III (bruno wolff to) (2 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encryptedpasswords Apr 22 2005 08:02PM
Antoine Martin (antoine nagafix co uk) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted Apr 23 2005 01:02PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted Apr 23 2005 02:53PM
Antoine Martin (antoine nagafix co uk)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 22 2005 12:05AM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 10:10PM
Bruce Momjian (pgman candle pha pa us) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 10:17PM
Tom Lane (tgl sss pgh pa us) (1 replies)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 21 2005 12:26AM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com)
Re: [HACKERS] Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 10:08PM
Jim C. Nasby (decibel decibel org)
On Wed, Apr 20, 2005 at 06:03:18PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Well, I have no particular problem with offering SHA1 as an alternative
> hash method for those who find MD5 too weak ... but I still question the
> value of putting any random salt in the table. AFAICS you would have to
> send that salt as part of the initial password challenge, which means
> any potential attacker could find it out even before trying to
> compromise pg_shadow; so Stephen's argument that there is a useful
> improvement in protection against precomputation of password hashes
> still falls down.
>
> BTW, one could also ask exactly what threat model Stephen is concerned
> about. ISTM anyone who can obtain the contents of pg_shadow has
> *already* broken your database security.

FWIW, I do think there's some benefit to not being able to pre-compute
an entire hash table for accounts such as 'postgres' and 'www'. But I
agree it would be useful to know the actual threat model.
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[ reply ]
Re: Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 07:36PM
David F. Skoll (dfs roaringpenguin com) (1 replies)
Re: Postgres: pg_hba.conf, md5, pg_shadow, encrypted passwords Apr 20 2005 07:44PM
Stephen Frost (sfrost snowman net)


 

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