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Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 02 2006 03:12AM
coderpunk (coderpunk gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 03 2006 07:56PM
Matthijs (thotter gmail com) (2 replies)
Re: Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 04 2006 01:22PM
Dave Korn (davek_throwaway hotmail com) (1 replies)
Re: Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 05 2006 05:32PM
Steve VanDevender (stevev hexadecimal uoregon edu)
Re: Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 04 2006 08:21AM
Dave English (dave english thus net) (1 replies)
Re: Flaw in commonly used bash random seed method Apr 04 2006 02:47PM
Matthijs (thotter gmail com)
Hmm looks like I was wrong...
-snip-
/* Returns a pseudo-random number between 0 and 32767. */
static int
brand ()
{
rseed = rseed * 1103515245 + 12345;
return ((unsigned int)((rseed >> 16) & 32767)); /* was % 32768 */
}

From bash-3.1/variables.c lines 1146-1152
-snip-
(copied from http://cer.freeshell.org/renma/LibraryRandomNumber/#LibraryRandomNumber_
sec_bash)

altough it returns a number between 0 and 32767, it indeed saves a 32
bit number, so the cycle length of this linear congruential generator
is actually 2^32. So yes, the seed should be 4 bits and the generator
is better then I first tought. Sorry about that, I should have checked
the code a bit more careful.

Still it is a bad idea to use a PRNG in general, and especially an LCG
for password generation.

On 4/4/06, Dave English <dave.english (at) thus (dot) net [email concealed]> wrote:
> In message
> <a260a2190604031256g23cf3645s348f829530982b38 (at) mail.gmail (dot) com [email concealed]>, Matthijs
> <thotter (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]> writes
>
> >By the way, if the random function can only generate numbers between 0
> >and 32767, won't 2 bytes be enough then? The algorithm will perform a
> >modulo calculation anyway, so 4 bytes won't really add anything. Of
> >course, it is much better then only one byte.
>
> That will depend on whether the state stored between calls to the PRNG
> is only 15-bits, or something larger.
>
> If more state is stored than is enumerated in the result, then the
> generator should have more points on its sequence than 32768 . In that
> case then, seeding with more than 15 bits would be worthwhile.
>
> I have not looked at Bash myself, to see what it actually does
> --
> Dave English Senior Software & Systems Engineer
> Internet Platform Development, Thus plc
>
>
>

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