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new linux malware Feb 18 2006 10:40PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (2 replies)
Re: new linux malware Feb 20 2006 04:57PM
Christine Kronberg (Christine_Kronberg genua de) (1 replies)
PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 20 2006 08:22PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (2 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Dec 30 2006 10:00PM
Kevin Waterson (kevin oceania net) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 01 2007 05:53PM
Bill Nash (billn billn net) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 01 2007 09:00PM
Tino Wildenhain (tino wildenhain de) (1 replies)
RE: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 01 2007 09:31PM
Jim Harrison (Jim isatools org) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 01 2007 10:37PM
Dana Hudes (dhudes hudes org) (1 replies)
RE: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 12:02AM
Jim Harrison (Jim isatools org) (2 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? Jan 02 2007 12:01PM
Duncan Simpson (dps simpson demon co uk) (1 replies)
RE: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? Jan 02 2007 02:17PM
Jim Harrison (Jim isatools org)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 10:58AM
Darren Reed (avalon caligula anu edu au) (2 replies)
In some mail from Jim Harrison, sie said:
>
> ..and similar statements can be made for Basic (pickyourflavor) as well.
> This argument proves my point that there is no such thing as a truly
> "secure" language; it's entirely dependent on the dev skills.

I disagree. But then the above could be taken to be just flame-bait.

In functional programming languages (think 4GLs like prolog), rather
than functional programming languages (2 and 3GL - C/Pascal/perl/etc),
the ability of a programmer to do something that exposes a security
problem is greatly diminished (if we exclude "shell escapes", etc.)

Where do 9 out of 10 security problems with applications arise from?

Dealing poorly with externally supplied input.

This is the crux of nearly *all* PHP security bugs.

Maybe our problem is that PHP, perl, etc, are all built on top of C
and in such a manner that the origin and trustworthiness of data is
lost and can no longer be delt with in an appropriate fashion.

So maybe there isn't a "secure" functional language yet but I can't
see why we can't develop one.

Darren

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Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 03:16PM
Dana Hudes (dhudes hudes org) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 06:48PM
Lawrence Paul MacIntyre (macintyrelp ornl gov)
RE: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 02:15PM
Jim Harrison (Jim isatools org) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 06:37PM
Darren Reed (avalon caligula anu edu au) (3 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 03 2007 05:16AM
Ronald Chmara (ron Opus1 COM) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 04 2007 08:59PM
Jim Manico (jim manico net)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 09:07PM
Bill Nash (billn billn net)
RE: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Jan 02 2007 07:18PM
Jim Harrison (Jim isatools org)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 22 2006 10:48AM
Kevin Waterson (kevin oceania net) (2 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 24 2006 09:13PM
Matthew Schiros (schiros gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 27 2006 03:26PM
L. Adrian Griffis (agriffis dstsystems com) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 27 2006 03:50PM
Matthew Schiros (schiros gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 27 2006 04:21PM
L. Adrian Griffis (agriffis dstsystems com) (1 replies)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 27 2006 05:55PM
Matthew Schiros (schiros gmail com)
Re: PHP as a secure language? PHP worms? [was: Re: new linux malware] Feb 24 2006 09:07PM
Jamie Riden (jamie riden gmail com)
Re: new linux malware Feb 20 2006 04:24PM
Marco Monicelli (marco monicelli marcegaglia com) (1 replies)
Re: new linux malware Feb 20 2006 07:58PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (1 replies)
Re: new linux malware Feb 22 2006 08:00PM
Jamie Riden (jamie riden gmail com)


 

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