BugTraq
0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 20 2007 01:21PM
pdp (architect) (pdp gnucitizen googlemail com) (3 replies)
Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 21 2007 07:53PM
Thierry Zoller (Thierry Zoller lu) (2 replies)
Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 21 2007 09:21PM
Aaron Collins (collinsa ehawaii gov)
Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 21 2007 09:21PM
Kevin Finisterre (lists) (kf_lists digitalmunition com)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 20 2007 04:55PM
Aditya K Sood (zeroknock secniche org)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 20 2007 03:29PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (1 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 20 2007 11:16PM
Crispin Cowan (crispin novell com) (2 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 23 2007 05:34AM
Crispin Cowan (crispin novell com) (2 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 25 2007 04:15PM
Iggy E (iggy_e yahoo com)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 23 2007 11:52PM
Chad Perrin (perrin apotheon com) (2 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 24 2007 10:57PM
Lamont Granquist (lamont scriptkiddie org) (1 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 25 2007 05:57PM
Roland Kuhn (rkuhn e18 physik tu-muenchen de) (1 replies)
RE: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 25 2007 06:39PM
Thor (Hammer of God) (thor hammerofgod com) (2 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 25 2007 09:03PM
Steve Shockley (steve shockley shockley net)
defining 0day Sep 25 2007 07:02PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (3 replies)
RE: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 09:20PM
David Gillett (gillettdavid fhda edu)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 08:40PM
Charles Miller (cmiller pastiche org) (2 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 26 2007 11:25PM
Zow Terry Brugger (zow llnl gov) (1 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 26 2007 11:10PM
Chad Perrin (perrin apotheon com) (1 replies)
RE: defining 0day Sep 28 2007 12:20AM
Marvin Simkin (Marvin Simkin asu edu) (1 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 27 2007 06:34PM
Chad Perrin (perrin apotheon com)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 08:57PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 07:51PM
Brian Loe (knobdy gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 07:59PM
Gadi Evron (ge linuxbox org) (1 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 08:15PM
Brian Loe (knobdy gmail com) (1 replies)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 08:37PM
Adrian Griffis (adriang63 gmail com) (2 replies)
On 9/25/07, Brian Loe <knobdy (at) gmail (dot) com [email concealed]> wrote:
> On 9/25/07, Gadi Evron <ge (at) linuxbox (dot) org [email concealed]> wrote:
> > No longer good enough.
> >
> > We can get a press scare over a public vuln release, or a wake-up call.
> >
> > I think we can do better as an industry.
>
> Who, then, rewrites all of the reference material? And doesn't any new
> definition simply become definition number 2 in Webster?
>
> Is it really the definition that is lacking or is the use of the word
> at issue? Seems to me, from the beginning of this debate, that its the
> usage. Far easier to reform the "zero day process" (disclosure, etc.)
> than to redefine the term "zero day". The term is owned by the public,
> the process is owned by those who follow it, the industry.

I understand why this descriptivist approach is tempting over a
prescriptivist approach. But it's important, I think, to keep in mind
that the public uses the word "illegal" when they really mean
"unlawful" and uses the word "Schizophrenic" when they are talking
about multiple personality disorders. All technical fields have their
jargon, and the general public is simply not well educated enough
about the issues involved to arbitrate disputes over usage. Just as
the legal profession needs the word "illegal" with its proper meaning,
we also need our jargon to facilitate precise discussions about
security matters. The public can't always be the source of our
definitions.

Adrian

[ reply ]
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 09:05PM
Andrew Weaver (aweaver ee net)
Re: defining 0day Sep 25 2007 08:54PM
Brian Loe (knobdy gmail com)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 24 2007 09:59PM
Crispin Cowan (crispin novell com) (1 replies)
Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 25 2007 01:39PM
J. Oquendo (sil infiltrated net)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 21 2007 06:34PM
Casper Dik Sun COM (1 replies)
Re: 0day: PDF pwns Windows Sep 21 2007 07:24PM
J. Oquendo (sil infiltrated net)


 

Privacy Statement
Copyright 2010, SecurityFocus