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Paper: Weaning the Web off of Session Cookies Jan 26 2010 07:05PM Timothy D. Morgan (tmorgan vsecurity com) (1 replies) Re: [Webappsec] Paper: Weaning the Web off of Session Cookies Jan 28 2010 10:03PM James Landis (jcl24 cornell edu) (2 replies) Re: [Webappsec] Paper: Weaning the Web off of Session Cookies Jan 30 2010 04:07PM Timothy D. Morgan (tmorgan vsecurity com) (1 replies) Re: [Webappsec] Paper: Weaning the Web off of Session Cookies Feb 01 2010 08:19PM Chris Travers (chris metatrontech com) Re: [Webappsec] Paper: Weaning the Web off of Session Cookies Jan 28 2010 10:51PM Arian J. Evans (arian evans anachronic com) (1 replies) |
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Hi Arian,
> Good points James. I read this paper a few times to make sure I got
> the point, and it's a cute idea but I just don't see it happening.
Pessimism is understandable; I don't fault you for that.
> For multi-node, multi-app, websites sharing auth/state/preferences
> across multiple web assets (physical servers and logical "websites")
> this is pretty much a non-starter. Cookies rule here. For a dozen
> different reasons that I can think of.
Well, I'm sure you read this, but digest auth can do SSO to, arguably
better. Whatever wrappers frameworks put around cookies, which are a
very simple primitive, can be wrapped around digest auth too.
> Always good to try and raise the bar, but the world has voted cookies
> (thanks Lou!) and I think they are here to stay for at least the next
> decade.
Definitely, they aren't going away, but we should start phasing them
out of authentication. What the replacement is may be up in the air,
but the bottom line is: Cookies were a terrible idea for
authentication when they were first introduced and they are still a
bad idea. We've been hit over the head with this for years.
> Oh, yeah, and marketing rules the world, and web sales and marketing
> (and Google) LOVE cookies. So that is what it is and I really don't
> see that changing until they can inject a tracking device into your
> body.
As the paper points out, these business drivers act against making
cookie primitives more usable for session management.
Thanks for taking the time to read it,
tim
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